My last 4 years were great, I even had some rights gained back that I lost to Clinton.
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I don't think that bayonet lug is more important than the lives of soldiers or America's reputation.
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">After 9/11, there was more goodwill towards Americans in the world than ever before. Do you remember the headlines in Europe saying "Today, we are all Americans"? Bush squandered that unity and turned most of the world against us. Don't be fooled into thinking that doesn't matter. I am amazed that you don't care how the rest of the world sees you and your country.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's because it was the right(read into political public image) thing to do at that time.
Look at the history of civilization. EVERY WORLD POWER has/will be critisized/attacked because they are the world power. You can substitute any country into that power postition and with the same basic outcome/resentment. The most basic theory of life is survival of the fittest. Why would politics be the exception?
I am amazed that you don't care how the rest of the world sees <font color="red">you and your</font id="red"> country.
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You surprise me stru. Are you not a US citizen? Is this not your country too, or do you care more about other countries than the US?
Quite frankly, I could give two shits about what the rest of the world thinks of the US. You sound like Kerry when he talks about passing the world's litmus test.
My last 4 years were great, I even had some rights gained back that I lost to Clinton.
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I don't think that bayonet lug is more important than the lives of soldiers or America's reputation.
It is more than a bayonet lug, it is a modification to our 2nd Admendment rights. To come in and make conditions to our rights is bad, imagine if the government declared that freedom of speech only allowed certain items. Freedom to assemble had a requirement that only groups no larger than 5 were allowed anywhere, even in your home. Our 2nd Amendment rights are not to be allowed to dwindle.
The whole thing about our rights to keep and bear arms never mentioned they must be for sporting purposes. They were there for one more level of checks and balances, if our government ever got to strong and tried to take over the common man could fight back.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gardiner
It is more than a bayonet lug, it is a modification to our 2nd Admendment rights. To come in and make conditions to our rights is bad, imagine if the government declared that freedom of speech only allowed certain items. Freedom to assemble had a requirement that only groups no larger than 5 were allowed anywhere, even in your home. Our 2nd Amendment rights are not to be allowed to dwindle.
The whole thing about our rights to keep and bear arms never mentioned they must be for sporting purposes. They were there for one more level of checks and balances, if our government ever got to strong and tried to take over the common man could fight back.
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I know the intent of the 2nd amendment, and I know that your handguns and assault weapons won't help you at all if the government tries to take over by force. The 2nd amendment is outdated and moot.
BUT it is part of the constitution and I agree with you 100% that it should not be abridged without an amendment. The constitution promises you guns, and guns you shall have.
BUT the constitution also promises attorney-client privilege, protection from being detained without accusation, and freedom to pursue happiness (as long as you don't others). Where was your constitutionalist rhetoric when those rights came under attack? The 1st amendment comes before the 2nd, but you didn't leap to my defense when the guy in the other thread told me to shut up and unite.
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
After 9/11, there was more goodwill towards Americans in the world than ever before. Do you remember the headlines in Europe saying "Today, we are all Americans"? Bush squandered that unity and turned most of the world against us. Don't be fooled into thinking that doesn't matter. I am amazed that you don't care how the rest of the world sees you and your country.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Well I do care, to a point...which begins when we let the perceptions or general approval of other nations be the primary guiding principle we run our soverign nation under. Do you think the leaders of France, Germany, China, etc., etc., actually give a diddle about how we think they should run their countries? That's a laugh. In their coordinated attempts to counterweight our financial and military might as the World's Superpower, those same leaders have been paying lip service to the US for years, often at the exact time they were screwing us from behind. Do not forget, even in the 'best' of times, it has always been the U.S. vs. Europe in <u>their</u> eyes. Pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical that it even matters at all.
2004 | 6MTs | Diamond Graphite/Graphite
Upstate NY
If the Second Amendment is not worth the paper it is written on, what price the First? Even if the right to individual gun ownership were not protected by the Bill of Rights, it would be guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment and the original Civil Rights Act of 1866. These reconstruction-era statutes ensured private firearms ownership to freed blacks to protect themselves from Klansmen and other thugs. These measures recast arms-bearing as a core civil right, utterly divorced from the militia and other political rights and responsibilities. Ironically, in the late 1860s, federal attorneys argued in favor of the right to individual gun ownership as vehemently as they argue against it today.
2004 | 6MTs | Diamond Graphite/Graphite
Upstate NY
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by donpalombella
You surprise me stru. Are you not a US citizen? Is this not your country too, or do you care more about other countries than the US?
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I don't see that as a contradiction. I want my country, and myself by assocation, to be respected and revered, not hated. It is because I care about this country that I want it to be a good citizen of the world.
Mike Doughty made an interesting analogy in a song: "I love my country so much, man/like an exasperating friend". I feel like that's pretty true; I'm not going to leave a friend who everyone else thinks is a jerk, but I sure would try to get him to change.
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Quite frankly, I could give two shits about what the rest of the world thinks of the US.
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Why? Why does it not matter what other people think of you? You (probably) don't act like an ass to your peers, so why would you want your country to?
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
I act like an ass to everyone. But, that is merely because I don't give a flying F&ck what anyone thinks of me. I am my own person and I could care less if people like me or hate me. But that's just me.
I act like an ass to everyone. But, that is merely because I don't give a flying F&ck what anyone thinks of me. I am my own person and I could care less if people like me or hate me. But that's just me.
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That's a pretty terrible philosophy. How do you work with people? How do you develop meaningful relationships?
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
If the Second Amendment is not worth the paper it is written on,
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Well, that paper it's written on is the Constitution, so it's worth something right there.
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dholly
Well I do care, to a point...which begins when we let the perceptions or general approval of other nations be the primary guiding principle we run our soverign nation under.
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Well sure, I agree with you there. But there's a lot of gray area (something I know nothing about) between caring 0% and caring 100%. We obviously shouldn't let world approval be our primary decision factor, but we also shouldn't ignore it completely.
"struan87 you are way better than Google!" --BCole Pictures.
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