Uhoh! Neft has put on his fightin gloves. As much as I love a good debate in religion and philosophy and I've seen a far share on this forum; I think I am just fine with saying that I respect your views, but I just have to disagree with you on some points and thats cool by me
... such as??
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without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
I am an evolution supporter, but I am not a blind supporter. I have seen the potholes that surround the theory; however, from what I have learned and what I have researched, it just makes more sense to me. But if I have learned anything from the past few years is that I really cannot find any bullet proof answer to how we came to be, but the general theory of evolution has a foundation that I find to be at least somewhat right for me.
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... fair enough!!
& not to get on your case, & you can do the same for my arguments against, but can you show me one example of evolution??
Does apes to humans work? or how today's reptile descended from dinosaurs? or that all of mankind likely originated from an African women.?
The thing is, its really hard for me to defend my beliefs because I don't have the actual facts in front me. I don't possess any fossils or have the corresponding carbon dating results. I came to believe what I believe because I am active member in the science community and this is what I have learned throughout my schooling and my own experience. Evolution is a theory afterall, so it is a compilation of research and study over the past century and a half. So objectively to me, it makes sense.
The other thing is, I do believe in God (however I do not belong to the Christian community). I think we talked about this a while ago. So its hard for me to describe how I am a man of science and God and how I interrelate the two. But my beliefs are my beliefs and I am happy where am I.
Well it is obvious that you are a strong Christian. So if you don't mind me asking, did u come to have these strong beliefs during your upbring? and if so, how did you go about studying evolution during school? I am just curious to see what it what like across the pond.
Simpsonsrules86 sez... Does apes to humans work? or how today's reptile descended from dinosaurs? or that all of mankind likely originated from an African women.?
The thing is, its really hard for me to defend my beliefs because I don't have the actual facts in front me. I don't possess any fossils or have the corresponding carbon dating results. I came to believe what I believe because I am active member in the science community and this is what I have learned throughout my schooling and my own experience. Evolution is a theory afterall, so it is a compilation of research and study over the past century and a half. So objectively to me, it makes sense.
i understand that... the difference w/ me is evolution is a theory that makes absolutely no sense!!
The other thing is, I do believe in God (however I do not belong to the Christian community).
Here is what i don't get, how do people that subscribe to a theory that is based on the absence of a GOD believe in a GOD?? How can you believe in GOD but reject His truth??
Not to be extra, & you can take this as an opposition of thought (as an evolutionist, GOD is not the Word, the Truth, the Absolute), but the reason for this, this duality of conflicting belief is because GOD stated that He put innate knowledge of Himself in each of us... we all know He exists... we all believe in GOD... but we still choose to reject GOD based not on what He revealed to us, but based on what your peers (peers being man, taking lateral time out) think!!
I think we talked about this a while ago. So its hard for me to describe how I am a man of science and God and how I interrelate the two. But my beliefs are my beliefs and I am happy where am I.
Actually, it's not that hard... GOD is the Creator, science is the underlying principles of creation; it's just that science has been perversed by trying to take GOD out of the equation, or subjecting the Creator to the created!!
Well it is obvious that you are a strong Christian. So if you don't mind me asking, did u come to have these strong beliefs during your upbring? and if so, how did you go about studying evolution during school? I am just curious to see what it what like across the pond.
i came to these conclusions after a lifetime of research. Don't get me wrong, i was raised in the church environment (by my grammy, who is a staunch Seventh Day Adventist (a sect i thought & still think are completely crazy)), but i didn't come to my beliefs based on that, as they prove to be good @ confusing people!!
i have studied it all, i guess i am one of those people w/ a need to know... started from ground zero w/ what i know... which is nothing, moved on to the different possibilities, there is either a GOD, or there isn't!!
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without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
Here is what i don't get, how do people that subscribe to a theory that is based on the absence of a GOD believe in a GOD?? How can you believe in GOD but reject His truth??
Not to be extra, & you can take this as an opposition of thought (as an evolutionist, GOD is not the Word, the Truth, the Absolute), but the reason for this, this duality of conflicting belief is because GOD stated that He put innate knowledge of Himself in each of us... we all know He exists... we all believe in GOD... but we still choose to reject GOD based not on what He revealed to us, but based on what your peers (peers being man, taking lateral time out) think!!
not everyone takes the bible so literally as you. for some people, its not the end all and the only thing that matters......like it is for you.
not everyone takes the bible so literally as you. for some people, its not the end all and the only thing that matters......like it is for you.
It's more a pick n' choose what you like for others right??
It's a testament of GOD's will, teaching, revelation, & guide for us... why would it not be the end all... where are all your suppositions about life, love, justice & all that coming from?? Evolution doesn't teach that!!
Evolution teaches that we are just accidents that might have been repeated elsewhere in the universe & our current state won't last as we will soon be evolving into something else... what makes you a moral sentient being??
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without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
It's more a pick n' choose what you like for others right??
It's a testament of GOD's will, teaching, revelation, & guide for us... why would it not be the end all... where are all your suppositions about life, love, justice & all that coming from?? Evolution doesn't teach that!!
Evolution teaches that we are just accidents that might have been repeated elsewhere in the universe & our current state won't last as we will soon be evolving into something else... what makes you a moral sentient being??
i dont think the bible is meant to be taken literally, word for word, as its written. people interpret it in different ways. lets not forget its a combination of stories from 4 people.
you calling evolution an accident just goes to show me how little you know or care to know about it. evolution happens over time taking millions and millions of years. its hardly an accident.
i dont think the bible is meant to be taken literally, word for word, as its written. people interpret it in different ways. lets not forget its a combination of stories from 4 people.
you calling evolution an accident just goes to show me how little you know or care to know about it. evolution happens over time taking millions and millions of years. its hardly an accident.
... how can the be so when GOD says everything was created in 6 days??
Ok, let's see, evolution happens over millions & millions of years, right??
So we should be seeing something in the midst of evolution, right??
A transition of sorts, right??
Oh, there is none... the reason why the model is based on millions & millions of years is so you can't say oh, that's not right because unless you are observing for millions & millions of years... you can't see the evolving in process!!
But therein lies the problem for the evolutionist... neither can he/she... so how did this train of thought come about, perhaps you know very little about it!!
Evolution is a byproduct of atheism... for atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation for how the universe and life came into existence!!
Cut to Charles Darwin, even though evolution of some form predated Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for how evolution could have occurred... via natural selection!!
i'm sure you know Darwin once identified himself as a Christian, but later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of GOD due to tragedies that took place in his life!!
Evolutionary scientists today likely do not admit that their goal is to give an alternate explanation of the origins of life, and thereby to give a foundation of an existence w/o GOD. But, according to the Bible, that is exactly why the theory of evolution exists!!
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without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
wheres your proof that everything was created in 6 days??
so let me ask you this, do you believe that every living thing on the planet was created the way we see it now and that nothing has changed?
you dont have to observe something for the entire period of time....millions of years....to see that it has evolved. you can take snap shots in time along the evolutionary path. if you plant a seed in a pot and come back weeks later and see a flower now in that pot, you would still know that flower came from the seed....without having to observe the seed every second of the day.
you're right!!
