Well, Phelan is a Obama hater anyways and there is no turning him so whatever he says goes in one ear and out the other.
McCain's tactics is going to backfire. How the fook is Obama responsible for gas prices going up? I don't think he's part of OPEC and I believe they have a big say in the prices of crude oil am I right? All I know is educated Americans will see this commercial and see what an idiot McCain is. I had respect for him but not anymore. Oh and did you hear Obama is responsible for global warming and the Tsunami couple years back. Just wanted to let you guys in on a secret. I read it in Arkansas Times. LOL.
I said he was PARTLY
People driving fuel efficient cars and carpooling is fine and is great if it works for the individuals involved. But public transport (be it light rail, buses, subways, what have you) is a money sink. Even in the tiny ass countries of Europe where public transportation has been established for decades it still relies upon monies from the governments to stay afloat.
So what's your argument? That's one way to curve demand.
People place blame everywhere and it is as simple as this "Greed" similar to what happen with the housing market. Futures blame supply, supply blames futures, futures and supply blame the refineries. Haven't you guys seen the cycle? Of course not, most of you don't care but so much because you can afford it. I believe you have been paying attention but not that close............
We are building our lightrail system now, mind you it is costing us millions more now because we opted not to 10 years ago. If you believe public transportation is a money sink, you are just like the others in my area that want to cling to their "G's", BMW's, and Mercedes. Oh god no, do not let them use public transportation when they can afford to ride in a G, BMW....Oh no, do not ride with the criminals (as if they do not have cars or walk)...If its a money sink, its because people like you refuse to use it as a economical way of travel, probably because you make enough not to use it.....................but remember, everyone doesn't make what you make.... I would rather just hear you say, I do not want to ride lightrail because I'm too good for it rather than hear you say "its a money sink".
Most of you who are in urban areas where public transportation is the norm; you do not bother to get in on this conversation. For those of you who live in rural to suburban areas, this is the fight of fights. You moved to the country, just outside of the city limits or to suburbia to raise your families and drive your expensive cars..........You can still afford the gas, so "fuck America".......
just say dude/dudes...
Think of domestic drilling like someone getting shot.
You have to stop the bleeding first! Is the problem solved, NO!
Yea, there are bigger problems that need to be addressed and soon but first you have to do what you can to stabilize the situation.
Then deal with the "long term" issues.
Getting shot is the wrong analogy. What you are doing is trying to treat a symptom of a disease in order to allow you to further put off dealing with the cause. The catch is that the treatment for the symptom is addictive and can cause it's own long term health problems.
__________________ Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.
--Bruce Lee
Well, Phelan ME TOO is an Obama POLICY hater anyways and there is no turning him so whatever he says goes in one ear and out the other.
McCain's tactics is going to backfire. How the fook is Obama responsible for gas prices going up? THE POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING DOMESTIC PRODUCTION OF OUR OWN OIL I don't think he's part of OPEC NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WITH OIL and I believe they have a big say in the prices of crude oil am I right? SO WILL WE IF WE START PUTTING IT ON THE MARKET FOR SALE All I know is educated Americans will see this commercial and see what an idiot McCain is. I had respect for him but not anymore. Oh and did you hear Obama is responsible for global warming and the Tsunami couple years back. I THOUGHT EVERYONE BLAMED BUSH???Just wanted to let you guys in on a secret. I read it in Arkansas Times. LOL.
Getting shot is the wrong analogy. What you are doing is trying to treat a symptom of a disease in order to allow you to further put off dealing with the cause. The catch is that the treatment for the symptom is addictive and can cause it's own long term health problems.
So are you saying we quit our oil addiction "cold turkey"? Al Gore's proposal to be 100% on renewable resources in 10 years seem to be like that considering the time frame and scope of our dependence
So are you saying we quit our oil addiction "cold turkey"? Al Gore's proposal to be 100% on renewable resources in 10 years seem to be like that considering the time frame and scope of our dependence
No, I didn't say anything like that. Al Gore's plan though well intentioned is fairly unrealistic, but I'm hopeful that it will help in some ways in the big picture.
What I'm saying is that at some point the world is going to start to run out of fossil fuels. We are going to continue to be dependent upon it unless some magical renewable clean energy source is discovered. This is something that I don't count on happening.
So when the world supplies start to dwindle the country that has the most oil in the ground is going to become inconceiveably powerful. I'd just assume that'd be us and not them.
Tapping our supplies at this point takes a chance on selling out our long term security. Is it worth it?
__________________ Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.
--Bruce Lee
Well, Phelan is a Obama hater anyways and there is no turning him so whatever he says goes in one ear and out the other.
McCain's tactics is going to backfire. How the fook is Obama responsible for gas prices going up? I don't think he's part of OPEC and I believe they have a big say in the prices of crude oil am I right? All I know is educated Americans will see this commercial and see what an idiot McCain is. I had respect for him but not anymore. Oh and did you hear Obama is responsible for global warming and the Tsunami couple years back. Just wanted to let you guys in on a secret. I read it in Arkansas Times. LOL.
Obama is a Manchurian candidate; pure empty suit doing what his handler's say and stuffing his foot in his mouth anytime he looks up from the teleprompter.
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Everyone is finally equal. No one is smarter than anyone else. No one is stronger than anyone else. No one is better. Everyone is worse.
Obama is a Manchurian candidate; pure empty suit doing what his handler's say and stuffing his foot in his mouth anytime he looks up from the teleprompter.
I'm sorry but McCain pretty much fits that description as well.
__________________ Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.
--Bruce Lee
I said he was PARTLY responsible which he is due to having voted against domestic drilling (take note of how gas prices dropped this last week AFTER the US started getting serious about increasing domestic production).
Funny, I thought it was due to the mounting recession, inflation, and unemployment. By now, all these things are going hand in hand.
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How about you do some researching yourself? Our primary oil source is Canada, Saudi is #2, Mexico #3 and Venezuela #4.
Thanks. You taught me something today. I had no idea that Canada was our primary source of oil recently. I double checked your source too and it confirmed it.
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Yes increased domestic production is a short term answer, I haven't seen anyone deny that. But the chances of viable alternatives appearing this year, next year or the year after that are slim so there is a need for a short term solution while the long term solution is worked out properly.
Why? Why do we need such an immediate solution? Are people dying because of such high gas prices? What are the immediate consequences?
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Do you honestly think a barrel of crude is really worth 3-4 times more now than 2-3 years ago? Demand hasn't increased that much.
I think that oil is being controlled like the Debeers controlled the price of diamonds. I think the supply is there, an abundant supply, but I think that a few powerful organizations who are making hundreds of billions of dollars want to greedily control the market and because the economy has taking a downturn, the price of gas has also gone up.
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People driving fuel efficient cars and carpooling is fine and is great if it works for the individuals involved. But public transport (be it light rail, buses, subways, what have you) is a money sink. Even in the tiny ass countries of Europe where public transportation has been established for decades it still relies upon monies from the governments to stay afloat.
I don't believe it is a money sink and I've been to those small European countries you speak of and some of the largest cities in America (Boston, San Francisco, L.A., San Diego, Chicago) and have used their public transportation. In all cases (except L.A. for a while), the public transportation system is an asset to their city, a necessary public works institution, and without it, there would be pure chaos.
It's kind of like education, you believe in it for the greater good, you shouldn't mind the tax burden. Go to cities like Boston, San Francisco, Chicago and ask some people if they need a car. You will hear, a phrase that may be unusual to you: "no." People survive without a car in these cities and I think it's great. It makes fiscal and environmental sense. Don't get me wrong, I think people should have a car to drive if they want to, but a money sink? No way.
In L.A., the public transportation system is great, but the problem is it's in L.A., one of the more superficial cities in America. Only until recently with the metro rail expansion and the higher gas prices have people re-considered their vanity and affluence and considered public transportation.
So what's your argument? That's one way to curve demand.
People place blame everywhere and it is as simple as this "Greed" similar to what happen with the housing market. Futures blame supply, supply blames futures, futures and supply blame the refineries. Haven't you guys seen the cycle? Of course not, most of you don't care but so much because you can afford it. I believe you have been paying attention but not that close............
We are building our lightrail system now, mind you it is costing us millions more now because we opted not to 10 years ago. If you believe public transportation is a money sink, you are just like the others in my area that want to cling to their "G's", BMW's, and Mercedes. Oh god no, do not let them use public transportation when they can afford to ride in a G, BMW....Oh no, do not ride with the criminals (as if they do not have cars or walk)...If its a money sink, its because people like you refuse to use it as a economical way of travel, probably because you make enough not to use it.....................but remember, everyone doesn't make what you make.... I would rather just hear you say, I do not want to ride lightrail because I'm too good for it rather than hear you say "its a money sink".
Most of you who are in urban areas where public transportation is the norm; you do not bother to get in on this conversation. For those of you who live in rural to suburban areas, this is the fight of fights. You moved to the country, just outside of the city limits or to suburbia to raise your families and drive your expensive cars..........You can still afford the gas, so "fuck America".......
just say dude/dudes...
If public transportation is such a great thing, please tell me where (anywhere) that it is 100% self sufficient without any government props.
Can't recall ever saying I was 'too good' to use public transport, but I guess when you don't have anything else personal attacks are the tool of choice.
__________________
Everyone is finally equal. No one is smarter than anyone else. No one is stronger than anyone else. No one is better. Everyone is worse.
Why? Why do we need such an immediate solution? Are people dying because of such high gas prices? What are the immediate consequences?
So you would rather have a rushed and likely flawed long term solution rather than one which was thought out while we made use of our own deposits? Maybe it's my smallish town upbringing that instilled the ideal of providing for today while planning for tomorrow.
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I don't believe it is a money sink and I've been to those small European countries you speak of and some of the largest cities in America (Boston, San Francisco, L.A., San Diego, Chicago) and have used their public transportation. In all cases (except L.A. for a while), the public transportation system is an asset to their city, a necessary public works institution, and without it, there would be pure chaos.
If it's not a money sink, why does it need government money to prop it up? Why is it not making a profit or at least breaking even?
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It's kind of like education, you believe in it for the greater good, you shouldn't mind the tax burden.
Public education is not something positive to compare against as it is an extremely flawed system that wastes a significant amount of money.
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Everyone is finally equal. No one is smarter than anyone else. No one is stronger than anyone else. No one is better. Everyone is worse.
So you would rather have a rushed and likely flawed long term solution rather than one which was thought out while we made use of our own deposits? Maybe it's my smallish town upbringing that instilled the ideal of providing for today while planning for tomorrow.
Why rush the long term solution? Why not ask for a solid long term solution by next year. Everybody is hurtin', but it's not yet the end of the world. I'd rather have a good solid plan before some yahoo politician thinks the way to gain peoples votes is to start drilling in Alaska.
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If it's not a money sink, why does it need government money to prop it up? Why is it not making a profit or at least breaking even?
It depends on the city. I know in L.A. the MTA is a private organization that works as a public institution. Moreover, the MTA in L.A. charges $1.50 cents. If it wants to make a profit, it should charge anywhere from $3 to $4 for a local ride. If they did that, the patrons would be in uproar! It purposely keeps the costs down for the consumer.
In San Diego, I have taken the trolley from downtown to El Cajon. A distance of 15.5 miles. Cost = $2.50
That's why it doesn't make a profit.
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Public education is not something positive to compare against as it is an extremely flawed system that wastes a significant amount of money.
Agreed, but it is what it is. It is what we have and hundreds of millions of students across the nation use it despite its flaws. Like public transportation, can it be improved? Of course? Will it need tax dollars to do so? yes. Better management? yes. Do we need both? Absolutely.
