NAFTA - Obama wants to renegoiate NAFTA. NAFTA is a Bill Clinton thing that I was in favor of. At the time, it seemed that our hemisphere was at a disadvantage competing against the Orient. I figured that it would open to us the markets of Canada & Mexico & with the cheaper labor in Mexico help all 3 of our countries compete globaly. I was wrong. I worked in a textile finishing plant. Our main product was fabric dyed, finished & cut for Hanes T shirts. The company opened a couple of sewing plants in Mexico. Well, it is against federal law for a US Company to bribe a foriegn government & our company was too stupid to hire an "expeditor" to do it for them. Trucks were held at the border, excessives fines were levied if the count was a couple off, etc. The plants were closed after a couple of years. I favor renegoiations, but my issues with NAFTA are different from Obamas. I want the corruptness at the border stopped, so plants can operate in Mexico, Mexicans can afford our products, & we can wein ourselves off the Chinese. This may provide help with the illegal imigrant problem.
WAR - Muslims have declared Jihad on us. Obama is not the Commander in Chief that I want for our troops. It seems that our present President kisses up to some of them too much, but Obama wants to play footsie with terrorst outfits that are for the destruction of our allies. He has backed off his "Withdraw imediately", but he is going to make our troops that sacrifice a lot & our nation lose. I hate to think of the consequences. We have failed to capture Bin Laden in 6 yrs, but he is going to get Bin Laden in no time. This is foolish, ask Zoom, a former Ranger . The difficulty of locating a target like Bin Laden makes the planning & execution easy.
Gas Prices, Taxes, & Economy - Obama is all wrong on this. The enconomy is down, even worse than it should be during "election year summer". Obama is all wrong on his "fixes". Increase capital gains & corporation taxes, this is dumb when we have lots of companies folding or going overseas. Other tax plans have been offered. We need a plan that encourages corporations to keep their operations here. If anything we need to keep the CEOs from running the companies bankrupt & dragging their fortunes overseas. Wonder why one of the Republican canidates had a speaking engagement in the Cayman Islands. I'm in favor of a change in taxes that will give a reduction for a company's employees in this country & tax money going overseas. As for gas prices with oil at about $140 per barrel that's about $2.80 - $ 2.90 a gallon. That means there is about $1 gallon left for the federal tax, state, tax, the oil company refining, the distributor & retailer. I beleive the federal & state cuts are the biggest. A gallon of water costs more in the grocery store than $1, so OBama thinks are the oil companies sticking it to us. Obama says so & wants to tax them more. Actually Obama's plan may help by the even higher prices providing an incentive for developing alternitive fuel, but it doesn't seem he realizes this. I'll miss the sound of cammed up gasoline motors, but I'm in favor of tax credits for researsh in alternative energy. Don't know Obama's stand on ANWAR, Artic, & off coast drilling but as long as the comodities speculators keep oil high this won't help gas price much.
Afirmative Action - This is against US Constitution by dicrimination on race or color. Don't know Obama'[s position on this issue, but it should be "Since I'm elected president, it shows affirmative action & racial quotas isn't needed anymore." I doubt he makes that change that I'm in favor of. We are behind & falling further in our technical abilities & skills. Years ago we handicapped ourselves with racial discrimination. A black man could be the janitor in a factory, no matter what his intelligence & abilities. He was not allowed admission into "white" colleges. Now it's still wrong, his grandson is rewarded on color instead of achievement & ability. He passes his grades in school without effort, he's getting over, doesn't want to do to good because he'll be acting "white." We have robbed the grandson of his potential & our country of his posible contributions. I want Affirmative Skills.
Education - Obama says he is going to raise teacher's pay. I'm not sure how he is going to do this. Local school boards control pay. It seems kind of inverse proportion, the more money the federal government puts into schols, the worse they get. I don't know how to do it, but my change would be not to raise pay but hire more teachers, espespecially in grammar school. Now it seems as everything is together & geared to the low achieving. I would like empysis on the mid range who will carry the country. More teachers would allow a class for bright kids. 2 other identies I would push in. 1st generation immigrants, sharp ones can learn & read English, but have problems really understanding in their brain what they read. Kids that don't have much encouragement from home need to be shown oportunities avaible or denied because of education; this may be difficult when they see a millionaire football player that doesn't know any numbers but those on his jersy or a movie star that can't read a script but takes her clothes off.
In this post & a preceding one I covered some of the issues & changes that I differ on than Obama. I ask you to research & find out as much as possible about him. You can see that he threatens & deliberatly means to harm our country. Our vote in Nov is important.
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"It just bothers me that people like that are voting. Instead of listening to the debates and choosing based on issues they choose based on the personal background of politicians."
Yep leevg, I'm voting. I'm sorry that bothers you.
I hope you vote. My forefathers, well had some fight the US as Confederates & Tories but proud of them, fought for mine & your right to vote & freedom of speech. I felt I was while I was in the service.
This thread was about trust for Obama, I hope you pay attention to the issues before casting your vote.
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The Thread was a "question of trust". But I am asked to submit issues & questioned about changes I wanted. I have an important decision to make by Nov & web searching for his Senate voting record, I found nothing. Here are his stand on issues I have a problem with.
ISSUES
US Constitution - Obama is on record speaking badly of Pennsylvania voters "clinging" to their constitutional rights. He is susposed to have claimed to be a constitutional law professor, but he shows no respect for the Bill of Rights that was amended to the Constitution in order to get enough states to ratify it. 2nd Admendmendment - Saw a primary campaign ad run by Obama saying he wants to stop violence & is in favor of more gun control. A day or two later at one of his speaking stops he was saying, "I'm not going to be taking your guns". A boy at work said he read that Obama said he is not going out publicly anti-gun & attempt to get legislation passed, but is going to load the Supreme Court with anti 2nd Admendment justices. Let's get done with what I or one of my friends read, & find out for yourself. I imagine the NRA website will illustrate a canidates support for the 2nd Admendment. Also you might want to check his home turf of Chicago which I think has gun bans in place; record murders in past couple of months. I don't go along with the popular interpretation, "right to bear arms is for militia, or National Guard. Not for individuals." Since the Constitution already gives Congress the responsibility of arming & training a militia, I see this admendment giving individuals rights to protect & defend themselves from an armed oppressive government. I also disagree with the popular interpertation of the religion clause in the 1st, "any religion is OK" I say it is the government won't establish a government religion as the Church of England was at that time. We have 2 extremes, those wanting admendments against for Christian beliefs of no abortions & no homosexual marraige & those wanting no religion. Both of these are wrong the Constitution is for the governments responsibilities & powers & as far as homosexual marraige it is stepping into state matters, which I believe the 10th stops. Obama has made no strong statement but I think he leans toward no religion since he deserted his church.
Taking a break, more to come.
Hey thatguy, didn't you mention before that you went to 20 churchs (or a lot of churchs) growing up? Are you leaning towards "no religion" as well?
Health Insurance - The politicians miscall it health care. I don't like all of these plans run by the national government. I think he will require parents to buy health insurance for all children. This will make the demon insurance companies more powerful. Government programs have raised the cost of healt care so it is unaffordable. If $100 is what is charged for a procedure but medicare will pay 80% up to 120 max, guess what? The charge just rose to $150 so the medical people could get the max from the government. It has been snowballing eversince. I remember when you could pay for the emergency room out of your pocket & have heard of Doctors seeing folks without any way to pay. Guess that dates me. I'm in favor of legislation to allow states to set up regulatory agencies to oversee the medical fields as has been done on other monopolies like power companies. Something has to be done so health care is affordable & people won't feel they're owned by the government. Requiring parents to buy insurance for their kids is another example of the goverment butting into families which I am against.
Honestly, I tried to counter that statement, but I just couldn't, lol. I work in healthcare so I know exactly what you are referring to. Even though your assumptions are sort of off the mark, in the end it will end in the results you stated.
I will make one comment though, last time I checked Obama suggested that we make it afforadable for anyone who's wants and hiliary demanded that everyone gets it......Last time I checked......
Illegal Imigration - Haven't really heard of how he stands, got a feeling he wants to ignore. If you know how he voted on the bill sponsored by my semator, Graham, & McCain & Kennedy, let me know. Somrthing needs to be done. You can't blame somebody for wanting to make a living. They aren't just doing jobs that Americans don't want. In some instances they may work for a lot less but many they get the same money. Americans are giving away their jobs to them. Example: The plant I work in has several continuos process lines running 7 days a week, 24 hrs aday. If one goes down it takes all of the mainenance folks a week to get it overhauled & back running. Several years ago they were calling in people because so many laid out on Super Bowl Sunday. The place started hiring Mexicans that will work when they are susposed to. The problem is illegals buy false IDs. They put in max dependents on their tax forms. Their SS number is no good so they have to get another every few months & pay no Federal or State taxes, yet they use our schools, roads, etc. Many have no insurance on their cars & in a wreck you have to fix your own even if they are responsible, if you're injured they run. They go the emergency room with $3000 cash but get taken care of free because the price is jacked up on us. We need somrthing done to shut down the real villians, those selling false IDs for $500 & the smugglers who make them keep paying under a threat to their families. I agree with Graham's bill except, I would want somebody like an orphan or elder with nobody else be able to come accross & be care for by their family.
Taking a break, more to come.
They take a lot less because its so much more then they would make back in their homeland. Everyone knows this, it isn't a secret. If you have an issue with them running rampant grabbing the bennies but not footing the taxes, you and home in NY need to sit down and have a talk with your party as I agree with everything you said. I would not however suggest that senator Obama wishes to avoid the issue all together. If you have been paying attention, no one has come up with a plan that everyone can live with....I vote to send them all back immediately, but I know that's not popular for most people......In my particular industry they aren't hurting jobs for me, at least not yet..but i do understand it affects other people. If your debating with me about the subject, I would say, deport all of tem, make the individuals who are living on public assistances do the jobs.....(in particular, the ones who do not work at all)
By JEFF KAROUB,
AP
Posted: 2008-06-18 19:03:06
Filed Under: Elections News, Barack Obama
DETROIT (June 1 - A young Muslim woman said she and another woman were refused seats directly behind Barack Obama and in front of TV cameras at a Detroit rally because they wear head scarfs.
Hebba Aref said Wednesday that she and Shimaa Abdelfadeel were among 20,000 supporters who gathered to see the Democratic presidential hopeful on Monday at the Joe Louis Arena when the groups they were with were separately invited by Obama campaign volunteers to sit behind the podium. But Aref said the volunteers told members of both parties in separate discussions that women wearing hijabs, the traditional Muslim head scarves, weren't included in the invitation and couldn't sit behind the podium.
Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer, said a member of her group was told by a volunteer that she could not invite Aref because of "a sensitive political climate."
Obama spokesman Bill Burton issued a statement saying such actions are "not the policy of the campaign."
"It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run. We sincerely apologize for this behavior," the statement read.
Aref said she replied by thanking Burton, but requested Obama apologize directly to her and Abdelfadeel, as well as invitations to sit behind him at a future campaign event. Obama spokeswoman Amy Brundage said the campaign has apologized.
"He needs to take the matter seriously and send a strong message against any kind of discrimination," Aref said.
A message was left Wednesday morning by The Associated Press for Abdelfadeel.
Presidential campaigns routinely invite audience members they believe will enhance the image their candidate wants to convey on TV to stand behind the candidate at rallies.
Aref, who was born in the United States to Egyptian immigrants, said she had defended Obama during the primaries against a constant drumbeat of rumors that he was Muslim. Obama is a Christian.
Obama also has been careful in denouncing the links, noting that some rumors about him also have been insulting to Muslims.
"I don't want to be called something I'm not, but I felt like ... everyone was treating this accusation of being Muslim as though it were some sort of crime or sin," Aref said.
She was grateful that the group she was with at the rally, which included her brother, Sharif, as well as non-Muslim colleagues of his, declined the invitation to take seats behind Obama after she was refused.
Still, she said, it was difficult to hear Obama's message of unity among races.
"As he's saying it, I'm thinking, 'Well, wait a minute, I was obviously ... profiled and discriminated against an hour ago.'"
....I vote to send them all back immediately, but I know that's not popular for most people......
You wouldn't have to. If we made it illegal to be here illegally (wtf????) then they could not get a job, they could not afford a place to live, nor could they qualify to live just about everywhere, could not get a loan for a car the list goes on and on. If this were the case they would self-deport because they could not lead a life here.
Oklahoma recently passed a similar bill, "HB 1804". Took effect Nov, 1 2007. It was all over the news that this or that would shut down due to lack of labor. All I heard about was a longer than normal wait at McDonalds, life was rough...
Guess what so far it seems to have worked, there are numerous reports stating the illegal population has decreased since it took effect. Kinda feel sorry for neighboring states, except Missouri, I think they already have a similar law.
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You guys mostly know that I try not to get very serious here on 6MT, but I'll say this about illegal immigration.
STOP handing out free services and money to those who are NOT premenant residents and citizens! If we do this we could leave the entire border with Mexico defended by Neft in his truban and GZ in his green gnome outfit and our illegal immigration problem would "most likely" fix itself in a few years.
They come over illegally, their kids can't get into school, they can't get free medical services, they can't get wellfare, they can't even get license or open a bank account. Do you think they're still gonna want to come over here? I say NO.
We always say it's for the jobs that they come, but let's look at the big picture here. They really come for all the "free" benefits that the US offers anyone and everyone who steps a foot in our country. Erase these benefits for them and they will eventually stop coming. What use is a job if they can't settle here?
My 2cents.
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You wouldn't have to. If we made it illegal to be here illegally (wtf????) then they could not get a job, they could not afford a place to live, nor could they qualify to live just about everywhere, could not get a loan for a car the list goes on and on. If this were the case they would self-deport because they could not lead a life here.
Oklahoma recently passed a similar bill, "HB 1804". Took effect Nov, 1 2007. It was all over the news that this or that would shut down due to lack of labor. All I heard about was a longer than normal wait at McDonalds, life was rough...
Guess what so far it seems to have worked, there are numerous reports stating the illegal population has decreased since it took effect. Kinda feel sorry for neighboring states, except Missouri, I think they already have a similar law.
If i'm following you correctly, I see what your saying...
Common sense law..
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- A young Muslim woman said she and another woman were refused seats directly behind Barack Obama and in front of TV cameras at a Detroit rally because they wear head scarfs.
