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Old 06-08-2008, 10:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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...is it just always a change for change sake? I'll get off the soap box now, but I really hope that people know what change they'll get before they sign on the dotted line. I mean change can mean lots of things and they can be positive and just as easily negative.

I think you took those words right out of my mouth....I was ready to give you a "repost".
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I agree with the popular vote vs electoral vote issue... it's almost as if we really aren't voting anymore...

If you want that, then you have to change the whole process.

In the primaries, Obama played the delegate game to his ultimate success, if it had been reversed, and Hillary had only won the delegate majority and Obama the popular, do you honestly think she wouldn't be shouting about how delegates is all that counts?? She knew the rules of the game, she played it, and she lost...so quit bitching already!!!

One thing that has to happen is the fair, impartial redrawing of precinct lines and the corresponding redistricting. There are way too many games played on both sides with the lunacy that is currently practiced.
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I agree with the popular vote vs electoral vote issue... it's almost as if we really aren't voting anymore...
The way the constitution was originally set up we didn't vote for president, I think it was the Senate that made the decision. There is still nothing on the books that says that the people are to decide who is president it is the electoral college. It is up to the states to decide how their EC delegates will vote. They legally could do a coin toss and all their delegates could go that way...
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The biggest problem with EC is that they are not bound to the decision of the popular vote. New Jersey has it setup that their delegates go to the candidate that wins the popular vote at the national level, even if said person does NOT RECEIVE A SINGLE VOTE IN THAT STATE HE WINS THAT STATE! WTF!
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The way the constitution was originally set up we didn't vote for president, I think it was the Senate that made the decision. There is still nothing on the books that says that the people are to decide who is president it is the electoral college. It is up to the states to decide how their EC delegates will vote. They legally could do a coin toss and all their delegates could go that way...
Thank you! Finally someone else who realizes that.
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They legally could do a coin toss and all their delegates could go that way...
You mean they don't already do that???
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You mean they don't already do that???
No it's a political back-scratch, popularity contest
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Ah... so in other words, electoral vote goes to the highest bidder?
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i dont trust politicians , its essentially picking the lesser of two evils in a way. but i rather Obama and hillary on a ticket than mccain, bush or anything other repub president.

only repub i could see myself voting for if it happened is Powell.

my father is a repub and has never voted repub.
Then I guess you will be voting for McCain this year, he is the Democrat, Obama is a Socialist. No Republicans are running this election.
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They will never drill off of FL. People come from all over the world to see the beaches - nobody wants nasty oil slick beaches like in TX.

I found it quite entertaining how McCain was trying to make like he cared for the environment by visiting the Everglades this week. Both candidates are full of it, IMO, no matter who wins we all lose.
The sad thing is that all that oil is out there and the only one that will be drilling for it is China, they have been courting Cuba to get drilling rights from them.
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The sad thing is that all that oil is out there and the only one that will be drilling for it is China, they have been courting Cuba to get drilling rights from them.
That's it... time to start a war against Cuba!
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Then I guess you will be voting for McCain this year, he is the Democrat, Obama is a Socialist. No Republicans are running this election.
ding,ding,ding,ding...WE HAVE A WINNER!

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this
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They will never drill off of FL. People come from all over the world to see the beaches - nobody wants nasty oil slick beaches like in TX.
Read an article the other day that stated that the oil derricks that were hit by Katrina lost less oil (spillage) than what naturally comes up from the ocean floor.

Every complaint I have heard about is that they are "unsightly" on the horizon.
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I believe someone said it is about voting for the lesser of the two evils. If you do not understand that, then you can never be changed or be for the good of people. I just want to throw out a few common knowledge points:
1. Obama is new to the seen; everyone is new at a point. If you have a problem with that, then raise the age for an individual to become president. Do not get mad at him because he found a way to excel while playing by the rules.
2. Can you trust any politician? All of them have some sort of agenda (the lesser of two evils remember).
3. Voting record? Please and what does that mean when you have flipped on a subject?
4. Isn't it about ideals? How can we continue to move forward? At this pace, a snickers bar will be 9 dollars in two years.
5. Can you trust obama, hell can we trust you? What makes him so different than you and I? What makes him so different from Mccain (a record I guess, he's older....if I recall)?
6. Did I mention it is about voting for the lesser of two evils?

I will mention one selfish thing before I leave you because I tried to remain natural in my comments (as this is a "Can we trust obama" thread). One of my good friends said something to me that I believe is true. There should be an age limit/cap on who can be president. Think about all the selfish, bagged, old people you know. Are they ever going to change their point of views or think about something different? Nah, not likely. It is not likely that something they have believed in for decades will all of sudden "CHANGE". I think as a president, you have to be willing to "change" or believe that "change" can occur. When I say change, I mean "change" as the English language suggest. If you need examples, I am happy to give you a few.
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^^^any age cap that would get mccain would have kept Reagan from being president, easily the best pres in recent history.
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