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Old 06-16-2008, 11:18 AM   #421 (permalink)
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I think this has more to do with image and a bit of karma more than anything else... our own government is screwing us over so bad, they just have to go do something good to feel better about themselves or something... and plus, if you're talking about the war on terrorists, they aren't helping anybody but themselves there too...
Nope not talking about the war on terror. I'm talking about all the financial and other aid (food, medical supplies, etc) given to other countries; most all of which ends up in the hands of corrupt ruling parties rather than the people actually in need.

Second thing to do is tell the UN they have 30 days to relocate, that they are no longer welcome on US soil and that we as a nation will no longer be bankrolling their ineffective posturing and repeated abuses of power.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:37 AM   #422 (permalink)
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The UN will relocate, mark my words... probably to somewhere in the Middle East, iRaq anyone??
Once that happens, watch as the scales of power tip against the US!!
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I'd say I agree to a certain extent. On one end my family has always worked hard and has put a lot of focus on getting your education, getting a good job, working hard and making the most money you can. My dad is a small business owner. So as someone in the upper/middle class it does pain me to think my hard earned dollars are getting taking to give to other people who may not work as hard as me or my family.

On the other end I realize a lot of people who ARE WILLING to work hard don't have the same opportunities as I've had so it has to be done. I said "it the biggest reason" but in reality less taxes for upper income is the only reason I was a registered republican. This election and the past 8 years has changed my perspective a lot, which is why I'm behind Obama. And like I said...I'm willing to take a raise in taxes to improve our country as it stands..
And I think most people should have the attitude you have.
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... i agree 100%, how is the US trying to fix other people's problems when it (as an entity personified) can't get its own sh*t straight, sort out your own mess first, then deal w/ others...!!
Sending billions... yes billions... billions of dollars in aid, but yet still there are homeless people here, what the f*ck??
Don't make no damn sense!!

What the US needs to do is adopt a closed door policy for a few good years & work on the US... when 'we' get back up to snuff... then we an open the doors again & resume the 'we will f*ck you up, we the all powerful divinely mandated snare beast bully 'round campus'!!
I think that's a good idea...
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My complaint about the preacher is the fact that Obama attended that church for 20 years and has this guy as a "spiritual adviser" and then claims he does not share his radical views. Come on...

I'm not claiming he shares all of his views but I bet there is some commonality.
So before that you would have been for Obama and not Mccain?
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I'd say I agree to a certain extent. On one end my family has always worked hard and has put a lot of focus on getting your education, getting a good job, working hard and making the most money you can. My dad is a small business owner. So as someone in the upper/middle class it does pain me to think my hard earned dollars are getting taking to give to other people who may not work as hard as me or my family.

On the other end I realize a lot of people who ARE WILLING to work hard don't have the same opportunities as I've had so it has to be done. I said "it the biggest reason" but in reality less taxes for upper income is the only reason I was a registered republican. This election and the past 8 years has changed my perspective a lot, which is why I'm behind Obama. And like I said...I'm willing to take a raise in taxes to improve our country as it stands..
How much more lop sided can the tax bracket get?

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Who pays taxes? percentages based on earnings
Bottom 40% received money BACK from the government
Half of those who filed paid 97% of the bill
top 10% paid 70% of the taxes
top 1% paid 40% of the taxes

Bush tax cuts did cut taxes for the "evil" rich, they were also cut MORE in the lower brackets.

Who getting squeezed?

The tax debate we should be having - Apr. 2, 2008
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So before that you would have been for Obama and not Mccain?
NEVER!
I made the statement because everyone keeps defending the Obama in the situation by saying he does share the views of the pastor

In my opinion...
Obama stands for more government, less individual rights, more taxes, basically the current platform of the Democratic party. I hate to be someone who divides the choices based on party but the current Democratic party is flooded with people who share similar views. Has he ever once made a speech and used any phrase similar to "personal/individual freedom"?
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And I think most people should have the attitude you have.
Which part, that of working hard to better yourself which I agree more people should have. Or that it's ok to tax those who have been successful more to give to those who aren't successful?
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So before that you would have been for Obama and not Mccain?
I'm not claiming t be a gung-ho McCain fan either, he was definitely way down my list of people to vote for in the primaries. Every body remembers his amnesty bill from last year, right?

I was a Huckabee supporter and this is why.

Americans For Fair Taxation:

He may not have been the perfect candidate but I think this tax reform will be more beneficial than anything else that might get screwed up while he is Pres.
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He's not half white/half black. He's 50% caucasion, 43.25% african arab and 6.75% african negro. His father was the last one in the branch of his family tree that could claim to have african negro ethnicity on a census report. If someone is going to base their campaign on the race card, shouldn't they at least be accurate?

then maybe you havent seen his dad and grandma from kenya b/c they are black. most kenyans are black

and there are black arabs

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NEVER!
I made the statement because everyone keeps defending the Obama in the situation by saying he does share the views of the pastor

In my opinion...
Obama stands for more government, less individual rights, more taxes, basically the current platform of the Democratic party. I hate to be someone who divides the choices based on party but the current Democratic party is flooded with people who share similar views. Has he ever once made a speech and used any phrase similar to "personal/individual freedom"?
Yeah, sounds good when you say it against the democrates, but as soon as you say gay marriage............oh no don't say that, "personal/individual" yet they want to make the decision for the world.
Abortion, oh no,no,no,no,no,no "they are feining to take that off the books and you know it. None of that is supportive of "personal/invidual freedom". Those are small, my point is, do not pretend like the democrats are evil and republicans do not have their shady ways.
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hey man, its cool. doesn't even matter.


next time you're in cutler ridge, i'll buy you a beer. cheers!

cheers mane, none of this was personal. just fuckin around
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Which part, that of working hard to better yourself which I agree more people should have. Or that it's ok to tax those who have been successful more to give to those who aren't successful?
If you are referring to leevg, the way he has an open mind even against his own party.
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I'm not claiming t be a gung-ho McCain fan either, he was definitely way down my list of people to vote for in the primaries. Every body remembers his amnesty bill from last year, right?

I was a Huckabee supporter and this is why.

Americans For Fair Taxation:

He may not have been the perfect candidate but I think this tax reform will be more beneficial than anything else that might get screwed up while he is Pres.

yeah and if we would have, with huckabee there would have been alot of mixing of religion and politics. as if its no already

he mos def wouldnt have been a good pres. in my opinion. but is a very likable guy
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Very good question...


Anybody else want some popcorn?


wow, thats alot of popcorn. pass that my way-ill take some
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