Okay lets try this approach.
I could give a damn about the color of Obama's skin or the fact of what his name is since he didn't pick it (figured I'd open that can of worms).
The fact of the matter is I do not agree with his more government and his take from the rich and give to the poor philosophies. Whether it is "refundable tax credits" take from those who pay taxes and give to those who pay very little, or outright entitlement programs.
I think his government solution to healthcare is going to bankrupt the country since the government is doing such a great job medicare/medicaid, among other things.
To prove a point that privately run is pretty much always a better idea than government run...
Instead of arguing about how black Obama is, or how he said something he shouldn't have (Has anyone ever listened to Bush talk??), or how he had a radical preacher... Maybe someone can argue about some relevant issues. I've seen a couple posts about healthcare and the war, but they mostly seem to all drift back towards race.
Just to clear up my last post..I'm not saying "I'd love for a McCain supporter to give me reasons why his policies are better" as some sort of challenge or insult. I am really curious about what his supporters feel about his actual policies or how much they know about them.
^^^... to add-on, i never really understood why race is such a big issue?? Up till now, i have yet to get one good reason why it matters, last i checked... you take people on an individual case-by-case number!!
... it's f*cking frustrating!!
Get over it...!!
Seems like it takes more effort to see the nonentity 'race', than to just see people!!
... i'm done ranting!!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infiniti514
saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
Instead of arguing about how black Obama is, or how he said something he shouldn't have (Has anyone ever listened to Bush talk??), or how he had a radical preacher... Maybe someone can argue about some relevant issues.
Thank you!!!
__________________
'05 Black Obsidian G35 6MT Sedan
haha sorry, I obviously haven't read every post here. I started at the beginning and then went to the end because I noticed a lot of people got off track. I do agree about taxing the rich and giving money to the poor. That is the biggest reason why I'm a registered republican. I'd take that hit to make the rest of the world not hate us though and rid our country of the current policies. Like I said I used to love McCain, but is he actually going to make our country different than it is now?
My complaint about the preacher is the fact that Obama attended that church for 20 years and has this guy as a "spiritual adviser" and then claims he does not share his radical views. Come on...
I'm not claiming he shares all of his views but I bet there is some commonality.
I'd say I agree to a certain extent. On one end my family has always worked hard and has put a lot of focus on getting your education, getting a good job, working hard and making the most money you can. My dad is a small business owner. So as someone in the upper/middle class it does pain me to think my hard earned dollars are getting taking to give to other people who may not work as hard as me or my family.
On the other end I realize a lot of people who ARE WILLING to work hard don't have the same opportunities as I've had so it has to be done. I said "it the biggest reason" but in reality less taxes for upper income is the only reason I was a registered republican. This election and the past 8 years has changed my perspective a lot, which is why I'm behind Obama. And like I said...I'm willing to take a raise in taxes to improve our country as it stands..
To think someone running for the highest public office in the country has come this far and believes our country deserved 9-11 is pretty ridiculous. I just think we would have heard a little more if Obama actually believed Rev. Wrights statements to be true. More dirt would have come up by now.
Sorry I'm being vague. I don't mind being taxed if the money is going towards giving people who are willing to work hard better opportunities. i.e. education programs, college scholarships, etc. I don't believe I should be taxed to give lazy people who have 7 kids and are too lazy to work money.
I'd say I agree to a certain extent. On one end my family has always worked hard and has put a lot of focus on getting your education, getting a good job, working hard and making the most money you can. My dad is a small business owner. So as someone in the upper/middle class it does pain me to think my hard earned dollars are getting taking to give to other people who may not work as hard as me or my family.
On the other end I realize a lot of people who ARE WILLING to work hard don't have the same opportunities as I've had so it has to be done. I said "it the biggest reason" but in reality less taxes for upper income is the only reason I was a registered republican. This election and the past 8 years has changed my perspective a lot, which is why I'm behind Obama. And like I said...I'm willing to take a raise in taxes to improve our country as it stands..
You can give all the money in the world to a person and if they are not willing to help themselves it will do no good. Oprah gave a homeless (i think he was homeless) guy a $100k, I forget exactly how long it took but he was homeless, and broke, again a short time later.
I'm not saying to hell with them but well to hell with them if they are not willing to help themselves.
I am not willing to pay more taxes to expand the welfare role just so I have to work harder so someone else can work less. I know of too many cases where people will intentionally work less so to qualify for EIC, foodstamps, etc. Or outright lie on their taxes but that's another problem.
Here's a way to improve the country... Quit sending money over seas to fix other nation's problems and and lets fix our problems first. Seriously we send aid all over the world; but when we get hit by a natural disaster (Katrina) does anyone help us out? Nope. Lets take care of our own before we think of taking care of the sick/poor/destitute of the world.
Here's a way to improve the country... Quit sending money over seas to fix other nation's problems and and lets fix our problems first. Seriously we send aid all over the world; but when we get hit by a natural disaster (Katrina) does anyone help us out? Nope. Lets take care of our own before we think of taking care of the sick/poor/destitute of the world.
... i agree 100%, how is the US trying to fix other people's problems when it (as an entity personified) can't get its own sh*t straight, sort out your own mess first, then deal w/ others...!!
Sending billions... yes billions... billions of dollars in aid, but yet still there are homeless people here, what the f*ck??
Don't make no damn sense!!
What the US needs to do is adopt a closed door policy for a few good years & work on the US... when 'we' get back up to snuff... then we an open the doors again & resume the 'we will f*ck you up, we the all powerful divinely mandated snare beast bully 'round campus'!!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infiniti514
saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
Here's a way to improve the country... Quit sending money over seas to fix other nation's problems and and lets fix our problems first. Seriously we send aid all over the world; but when we get hit by a natural disaster (Katrina) does anyone help us out? Nope. Lets take care of our own before we think of taking care of the sick/poor/destitute of the world.
I think this has more to do with image and a bit of karma more than anything else... our own government is screwing us over so bad, they just have to go do something good to feel better about themselves or something... and plus, if you're talking about the war on terrorists, they aren't helping anybody but themselves there too...
__________________
'05 Black Obsidian G35 6MT Sedan
The AutoGuide.com network consists of the largest network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
AutoGuide.com provides the latest car reviews, auto show coverage, new car prices, and automotive news. The AutoGuide network operates more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share opinions as a community.
