I have been a "regular" church goer for the last ten years or so, attended several different churches through the years. Never once do I remember a preacher or person from the pulpit preaching or otherwise talking about political issues, outside of feed the hungry and help the poor, your basic charitable issues.
Ohhh really?
does this guy ring a bell? He may not have preached in your church, but this Pastor and founder of the "Moral Majority" made some comments that were appalling and uncalled for. Jerry Falwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals, it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.” - Jerry Fallwell
He was also paranoid about the purble teletubby and thought he was gay.
And I do remember him saying this after 9/11. Falwell said on The 700 Club, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"
And what about Pat Robertson? Does he not count? That guy has his own talk show and he talks a lot about politics. Same guy that said that the U.S. should assasinate Hugo Chavez. Whether or not you agree with that statement is irrelevant, most pastors I know don't say those kinds of things but Pat Robertson gets a free pass to say whatever he wants. He also wanted God to remove Supreme Court justices that were pro-choice.
John McCain got the endorsement of John Hagee and Hagee has said some hateful things as well. He identifies the Roman Catholic Church as a "theology of hate" and called it a "great whore." He also said this: ""those who live by the Qur'an have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews... it teaches that very clearly." He then proceeded to characterize the military threat posed by those who follow Islamic scripture: "There are 1.3 billion people who follow the Islamic faith, so if you're saying there's only 15 percent that want to come to America or invade Israel to crush it, you're only talking about 200 million people. That's far more than Hitler and Japan and Italy and all of the axis powers in World War II had under arms." I don't mind him being pro-Israel, but he thinks that Islam preaches the killing of Christians and Jews. That is not true at all! He also claimed that Hurricane Katrina was "claims that Hurricane Katrina was 'the judgment of God against New Orleans'.
Can you say double standard?
Moreover, the Black pulpit in the South has always been a safe place for him (her) to say their mind and speak freely. MLK gave some awesome political speeches from the pulpit. Sure he did it with tolerance, but he wasn't the only one speaking. Google Fred Shuttlesworth or others who were also involved in the Civil Rights movement, and you will get some more heated speeches. And why not? Did they not have a right to be angry? 3/5 of a person, Jim Crow laws, and not having the right to vote, or the Tuskegee study where Black men were given Syphillis without their knowledge source. . . wouldn't you be mad too?
Why can powerful White pastors say what they want to say no matter how ignorant and not get penalized by the press or the federal government. But if a colored man says those same things - he's branded un-American, and a racist?
stop listening to Fast Food news and please do some critical thinking. The press is spinning this stuff out of control.
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none of you bush haters will admit that at least the country has been safe over the last 7 years. compare that to the terrorist attacks that have been going on in europe.
Really? So we're really safe?
Bush called this war on terror a global problem. President Discusses Global War on Terror
"Your presence here reminds us that we're engaged in a global war against an enemy that threatens all civilized nations. And today the civilized world stands together to defend our freedom; we stand together to defeat the terrorists; and were working to secure the peace for generations to come." - GWB
If this is a global war on terror, then those attacks in Spain and England and elsewhere should be accounted for. He made it inclusive and to exclude the terrorists attacks elsewhere doesn't mean that we are safer. In fact it shows that terrorists attacks can happen anywhere and in time, the U.S. could be attacked as well.
Moreover, when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, it asked for help from Great Britain and other countries. Why should terrorists attack civilians in the U.S. if it has military targets in Iraq and Afghanistan? So far, Bush's plan has not succeeded and I don't think our boys and girls are much safer than they were before.
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assuming Obama becomes President, why does he need approval from congress to pull out of Iraq? if John Yoo determined that the presidential power in times of war allows him to send troops to invade another country circumventing congressional approval, why would a President need congressional approval to recall those orders and have our troops return?
agreed that Obama can't immediately bring back those troops as quickly as he says he can, but I believe he wants them back and he knows this is an unjust war. so yes you are technically right, but I think if he were elected he'd put an enforceable timetable out there to get our troops out of Iraq.
When Cesar Chavez was head of the UFW and the head of the movement for immigrant laborers in California and the southwest, the laborers were Japanese, Filipino, Mexican, Mexican-American, and Black. However, Blacks were a very tiny minority but there was some. But that was in the 1960s. I don't think many Blacks are pulling lettuce in California. Farmers in Oklahoma, Texas, or the South, sure. But not the peon laborer that most think of.
please show me. I'd like to see such polls. And also show their frequency. Albeit, during the record mass marches by Latinos and Immigrants last year, there were some Black organizations in Los Angeles that said that Latinos were taking away their jobs. They got about 2 days worth of news and then dropped off the radar. I know quite a few Black people and most of them would never say that they are losing jobs to immigrants.
You don't read your links do you? You just google stuff and read the first line or two. That would be my guess.
From your own source, What Illegal Immigration Costs Black People - NAM "According to a survey of likely black presidential primary voters conducted by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, less than one percent of those surveyed identified immigration as the most important national problem."
“As a factor for the election, the answer is no,” said David Bositis, senior research associate at the Joint Center. “I conducted a poll in late fall 2007, and it just didn’t exist.”
When asked to self-identify the single most important problem in the country, 28 percent of those surveyed said the war in Iraq, followed by health care (20 percent) and jobs and the economy (15 percent). In 2004, a Joint Center pre-election survey of black adults (not likely voters), 31 percent identified jobs and the economy, followed by 22 percent who identified the war in Iraq.
So, the interesting question is this: Why should we want the low-end, entry level, manual labor jobs typically secured by non-English speaking and mostly Latino immigrants?”
“There is absolutely no empirical evidence that African-Americans are losing jobs to Latinos overall. There is a more vigorous debate in the academic community about the impact of immigrants on jobs and wages for American workers, particularly African-Americans,” said Cecilia Munoz, senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza, the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S. “The bulk of the empirical evidence shows that to the extent immigrant workers compete with American workers for jobs, this effect is felt the most by other immigrants and Latinos.The academic studies tend to show that immigrant workers don't undercut African-Americans in the workforce.
“Having said that, the perception is real, and it's important. These are both communities which suffer from economic insecurity, and disproportionate numbers of both communities live in poverty,” Munoz told BlackAmericaWeb.com. “These are serious challenges that need to be addressed. We believe that we are more likely to be able to address them effectively if we do it together.”
READ YOUR SOURCES BEFORE YOU POST!
Your second link was an opinionated article, more of an observation of what I mentioned above about the Black group protesting in L.A. last year. However, it was a very good article and had good reflection. I'd urge you to read that too. Thanks for that.
did you even finish reading the entire thing? the source is siting
Bush called this war on terror a global problem. President Discusses Global War on Terror
"Your presence here reminds us that we're engaged in a global war against an enemy that threatens all civilized nations. And today the civilized world stands together to defend our freedom; we stand together to defeat the terrorists; and were working to secure the peace for generations to come." - GWB
If this is a global war on terror, then those attacks in Spain and England and elsewhere should be accounted for. He made it inclusive and to exclude the terrorists attacks elsewhere doesn't mean that we are safer. In fact it shows that terrorists attacks can happen anywhere and in time, the U.S. could be attacked as well.
Moreover, when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, it asked for help from Great Britain and other countries. Why should terrorists attack civilians in the U.S. if it has military targets in Iraq and Afghanistan? So far, Bush's plan has not succeeded and I don't think our boys and girls are much safer than they were before.
dont be a hypocrite, the moment we intervene with other countries and their issues, liberals such as you begin to dish out "how DARE we dig our imperialistic nails into business that doesn't concern us??" as the hedgemon, we should take these issues as our own, but other countries don't want us to.
the US could be attacked at any time? no shit, sherlock. but, do you honestly think terrorists have moved away from the US and decided to concentrate on europe? i hardly think so. they're take whatever they can get, obviously, penetrating our security hasn't been that easy since 9/11, has it?
please show me. I'd like to see such polls. And also show their frequency. Albeit, during the record mass marches by Latinos and Immigrants last year, there were some Black organizations in Los Angeles that said that Latinos were taking away their jobs. They got about 2 days worth of news and then dropped off the radar. I know quite a few Black people and most of them would never say that they are losing jobs to immigrants.
i tried to look up the polls with no success. i've seen these polls on tv. i did find one poll regarding a california inquest which revealed that 82% of blacks supported illegal immigration. but then in that same article, it said that those polls were deemed tainted by much of the black community which then led to those protests in LA you were talking about.
dont be a hypocrite, the moment we intervene with other countries and their issues, liberals such as you begin to dish out "how DARE we dig our imperialistic nails into business that doesn't concern us??" as the hedgemon, we should take these issues as our own, but other countries don't want us to.
the US could be attacked at any time? no shit, sherlock. but, do you honestly think terrorists have moved away from the US and decided to concentrate on europe? i hardly think so. they're take whatever they can get, obviously, penetrating our security hasn't been that easy since 9/11, has it?
or conservatives like you seem to thin kthat we can fight someones civil war for them.
i tried to look up the polls with no success. i've seen these polls on tv. i did find one poll regarding a california inquest which revealed that 82% of blacks supported illegal immigration. but then in that same article, it said that those polls were deemed tainted by much of the black community which then led to those protests in LA you were talking about.
like ive said before. the polls you are stating are bullshit.
they are a sample of a sample of blacks taken from a certain area.
How is that possible? Where will they get funding to continue the housing? Here in California, you're looking at a 40% REO (bank owned repo) in some communities. Mortgage companies are going under, developers are losing money, so how is this possible in Oklahoma? If they are finishing the products, that doesn't mean that those houses will be sold. Watch the renters move in because the developer can't move product.
The housing market here did not boom as big as some other areas so prices around here didn't skyrocket. I bought my house (some of ya'll might shit in a second) in '04, half acre lot, lots of trees, 1500 sqft, 3bd 2bth 2car, built in '78 for $94500. Similar houses in my neighborhood are for sell (actually selling too) asking price around 110k-115k. There are still mortgage companies advertising loans they won't stop sending me crap for refinance/home equity loans.
Within about 2 miles of my house I know of 2 new subdivisions going in, the first has a few houses already built and moved into and they are working on more. The second they are still out there playing in the dirt. On the other side of town, about 10 miles, there is a HUGE multi-million dollar subdivision golf course going in. I would guess it's is approx 1 square mile in area. Again more houses currently being built.
The housing market here did not boom as big as some other areas so prices around here didn't skyrocket. I bought my house (some of ya'll might shit in a second) in '04, half acre lot, lots of trees, 1500 sqft, 3bd 2bth 2car, built in '78 for $94500. Similar houses in my neighborhood are for sell (actually selling too) asking price around 110k-115k. There are still mortgage companies advertising loans they won't stop sending me crap for refinance/home equity loans.
Man for that price, I could get two homes and a really nice pool and shed for both of them...I house prices for our economy sucks in this area. I heard this housing bubble isn't affecting all markets but I do not know what that means. Like gamma said, they are being build but no one is moving into them.
Its hitting us pretty hard but our economy would be the first to go because the salaries do not make sense compared to the cost of living.
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