OK Zooms, thatguy, 14%, and tofu. I am going to update the 1st post soon.
I have been interested and decided to tally the disses in this thread. I have not included Zooms because they are neither creative or up to the typical Zooms anger standard.
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I have been interested and decided to tally the disses in this thread. I have not included Zooms because they are neither creative or up to the typical Zooms anger standard.
Give me some time man, I'm working up to it.
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True, anger doesn't. But you're too old to be angry, now you are just crotchety. And nope, get your own! Hopefully I'll have it by next week, USPS delivered the monies this morning.
Why is the list weak? These are phrases used by Smoke and 240 themselves. All phrases cut and pasted into the link. I did not repeat the disses that were repeated in separate posts.
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True, anger doesn't. But you're too old to be angry, now you are just crotchety. And nope, get your own! Hopefully I'll have it by next week, USPS delivered the monies this morning.
Hey man why the piss about old men??? I could probably outrun the lot of you. Plus it's anger that makes you me good Marine/Trooper. Trust me on this.
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Move to Hawaii you crackhead. Up until the point where Aloha Airlines and ATA folded we had the lowest unemployment in the nation. This has got to be for several years straight. I haven't seen any figures of late, but even with the two airlines folding I wouldn't be surprised if we still have the lowest unemployment.
So? the state of Hawaii does not embody the recession occurring with the rest of the nation. What's next? You going to tell me that Puerto Rico is doing fine too? As a citizen in the 7th largest economy in the world, let me tell you with no doubt that California is in a recession. If California is in a recession, so is the rest of the country overall.
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didn't some sneak in from canada?
Nope. They all came legally (tourist/student visas) through the east and south east coasts.
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for the dumbasses that keep saying the general population thinks clinton was a greater president than reagan, think again:
but i do find it funny how in the worst presidents poll, clinton is 3rd only ahead of GWB & nixon.
Please read your links before you post. In your haste you did not notice that only 6 out of the 12 polls are reporting on Clintons rank? In those 6, he is ranked, 16 23 21 24 18 and 22 respectively. Moreover, any poll that has Herbert Hoover ranked higher than FDR should be suspect to anyone. Haven't you heard of a hooverville? Also, Jimmy Carter is ranked higher than Ronald Reagan. I personally don't mind that, but I know that's not true in the least.
Make sure you read your evidence fully before you post stuff like this.
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first of all, there has be approval from congress to pull out of iraq, it would take some time before the house comes together to agree on any of that. just because a president says he's for getting the troops out of iraq ASAP, it doesn't mean it will actually happen as quickly as he claims.
assuming Obama becomes President, why does he need approval from congress to pull out of Iraq? if John Yoo determined that the presidential power in times of war allows him to send troops to invade another country circumventing congressional approval, why would a President need congressional approval to recall those orders and have our troops return?
agreed that Obama can't immediately bring back those troops as quickly as he says he can, but I believe he wants them back and he knows this is an unjust war. so yes you are technically right, but I think if he were elected he'd put an enforceable timetable out there to get our troops out of Iraq.
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Blacks and illegal immigrants arent competing for shit. we are legal citizens, what the fuck we need to compete with them for
When Cesar Chavez was head of the UFW and the head of the movement for immigrant laborers in California and the southwest, the laborers were Japanese, Filipino, Mexican, Mexican-American, and Black. However, Blacks were a very tiny minority but there was some. But that was in the 1960s. I don't think many Blacks are pulling lettuce in California. Farmers in Oklahoma, Texas, or the South, sure. But not the peon laborer that most think of.
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are you that much of an imbecil?? i've seen plenty of polls throughout the primaries concerning blacks and how they believe immigrants are taking jobs from them.
please show me. I'd like to see such polls. And also show their frequency. Albeit, during the record mass marches by Latinos and Immigrants last year, there were some Black organizations in Los Angeles that said that Latinos were taking away their jobs. They got about 2 days worth of news and then dropped off the radar. I know quite a few Black people and most of them would never say that they are losing jobs to immigrants.
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how so? i'm merely stating what the black THEMSELVES say.
You don't read your links do you? You just google stuff and read the first line or two. That would be my guess.
From your own source, What Illegal Immigration Costs Black People - NAM "According to a survey of likely black presidential primary voters conducted by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, less than one percent of those surveyed identified immigration as the most important national problem."
“As a factor for the election, the answer is no,” said David Bositis, senior research associate at the Joint Center. “I conducted a poll in late fall 2007, and it just didn’t exist.”
When asked to self-identify the single most important problem in the country, 28 percent of those surveyed said the war in Iraq, followed by health care (20 percent) and jobs and the economy (15 percent). In 2004, a Joint Center pre-election survey of black adults (not likely voters), 31 percent identified jobs and the economy, followed by 22 percent who identified the war in Iraq.
So, the interesting question is this: Why should we want the low-end, entry level, manual labor jobs typically secured by non-English speaking and mostly Latino immigrants?”
“There is absolutely no empirical evidence that African-Americans are losing jobs to Latinos overall. There is a more vigorous debate in the academic community about the impact of immigrants on jobs and wages for American workers, particularly African-Americans,” said Cecilia Munoz, senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza, the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S. “The bulk of the empirical evidence shows that to the extent immigrant workers compete with American workers for jobs, this effect is felt the most by other immigrants and Latinos.The academic studies tend to show that immigrant workers don't undercut African-Americans in the workforce.
“Having said that, the perception is real, and it's important. These are both communities which suffer from economic insecurity, and disproportionate numbers of both communities live in poverty,” Munoz told BlackAmericaWeb.com. “These are serious challenges that need to be addressed. We believe that we are more likely to be able to address them effectively if we do it together.”
READ YOUR SOURCES BEFORE YOU POST!
Your second link was an opinionated article, more of an observation of what I mentioned above about the Black group protesting in L.A. last year. However, it was a very good article and had good reflection. I'd urge you to read that too. Thanks for that.
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first of all, the population in miami is mostly made up of LEGAL cuban americans. NOT illegal mexicans. yet, it is the illegal mexicans who mostly work around construction sites.
even if you move around the rest of the state, illegal mexicans are still the grand majority of construction workers.
all Cubans have to do is land on American soil and ask for asylum and they are automatically entitled to it. i'm not saying that they are not deserving of it, but for some, the road to being an immigrant is much easier than for others. The Chinese, the Saudis, Armenians, and a few other nationalities also utilize this fast track approach to status in this country. How do I know? Because my wife deports the Mexicans and pulls her hair out of her head because the law does not apply to everyone.
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and if blacks dont compete with hispanics with jobs, then why is it that around my neighborhood, the association pays a company of black workers to cut our grass? do they not compete with the hispanic grass cutters in our neighborhood as well?
verification? substantiation? evidence?
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You should change the thread title to "Do not trust Obama" because its clear you are not open to reason and logic. You debate but you are not willing to listen or understand what people say to you.
Here in OK the housing market is still strong and growing, has slowed some but still growing.
A vast majority of the crews I see working on them, rough framing to finishing, are hispanic. IF they are legal fine, they are playing fair in the marketplace. IF they are illegal then they are undercutting the other businesses who are playing by the rules.
How is that possible? Where will they get funding to continue the housing? Here in California, you're looking at a 40% REO (bank owned repo) in some communities. Mortgage companies are going under, developers are losing money, so how is this possible in Oklahoma? If they are finishing the products, that doesn't mean that those houses will be sold. Watch the renters move in because the developer can't move product.
You speculate with your last comment. Offer proof and then validate your post. Moreover, these are just construction companies, what about Foster Farms, Kraft foods, Wal-Mart . . . you think they do this? Poultry and cattle industry would be nowhere without Illegal Immigrants. If you want to turn the tide, get your congressmen to crack down on the big companies.
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