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Old 03-25-2008, 12:02 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Neft, what you just said goes against what you believe too. Are you not forced fed to believe in God as a child? Or forced to go to church every weekend? You say we have a one track mind because we are more science oriented but you are the same way except you are religion oriented. You have a one track mind as well.....
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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ok, but how would a data model show where the "end" is....?
Lambda-CDM model

To put it in incredibly overly simplistic terms...

Imagine that you are on a dry lake bed driving in your G at a given speed. In your rear view mirror you can see another G driving in the opposite direction. You are able to determine the speed of that G because you just happen to have a radar gun in your hand. And you know at what speed you are traveling. You are also able to estimate the distance between the both of you.

Given those facts, and assuming that you both started at the same point on the lake bed. you should be able to do the math and determine how far apart you are and how long you have been traveling.

This again is grossly oversimplified, don't flame me.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Neft, what you just said goes against what you believe too. Are you not forced fed to believe in God as a child? Or forced to go to church every weekend? You say we have a one track mind because we are more science oriented but you are the same way except you are religion oriented. You have a one track mind as well.....
i gave both a fair chance!!

Ok, let me not lie... i have always been w/ GOD... from birth til now & to the day i die!!


... but seriously though, i see where you are going w/ this... but that's like someone being born lefthanded or righthanded... you didn't choose to be left or right, but you know which one is easier... sorry, i'm eating so forgive the bad associative theorem, but you get it right??

Oh you don't... ok, how about... not my fault i was born on the right side!!
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i gave both a fair chance!!

Ok, let me not lie... i have always been w/ GOD... from birth til now & to the day i die!!


... but seriously though, i see where you are going w/ this... but that's like someone being born lefthanded or righthanded... you didn't choose to be left or right, but you know which one is easier... sorry, i'm eating so forgive the bad associative theorem, but you get it right??

Oh you don't... ok, how about... not my fault i was born on the right side!!
I gave both a fair chance too. I grew up going to catholic school and church every weekend. my family is pretty religious.
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I gave both a fair chance, but science is the only choice that lets me analyze the data and tell the author that he's full of shit.
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Fair chance... growing up Catholic & dealing w/ those lunatics... can't blame you!!
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Fair chance... growing up Catholic & dealing w/ those lunatics... can't blame you!!
exactly!!!!!!
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It's not too late... don't let those blasphemers, idolaters, pedophiles... that old serpent, the den of iniquity sour you up to HE who is called I AM... behold, i heard a voice saying, 14c... come & see!!
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Holy threadjack batman!
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or isn't that just modus operandi ?
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... the hell was this thread about anyway??
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C'mon neft.. i expected a better answer than that...
"Force fed"?? Religion is the ultimate example of "force-fed"
Where do you think it came from? Why does it continue?

Are you the religion that you were raised up to be? Most are.
Only 1 out of 12 choose to change their religion. (officially, at least)
If you were raised to be a Jew in Isreal would you have changed that? Probably not.... almost EVERYONE follows what they are TOLD to follow.

Back to my original question... yeah it could be "bullshit"... THATS WHAT I WAS ASKING... that's why i brought it up.... i don't think they have no idea tho.. i don't think they are simply "feeding me bullshit"... i think it's their best estimate at this time with their current knowledge.

To say that they know no more than us is just insane to say... they have devoted their life and studies to those subjects... they DO know more than us. I understand the argument of "bad" scientists, ala bad doctors, lawyers, etc.... however, i belive most of this to be "generally understood" by the scientific community. Not just one scientist that came up with all of these figures......
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C'mon neft.. i expected a better answer than that...
"Force fed"?? Religion is the ultimate example of "force-fed"
Where do you think it came from? Why does it continue?

Are you the religion that you were raised up to be? Most are.
Only 1 out of 12 choose to change their religion. (officially, at least)
If you were raised to be a Jew in Isreal would you have changed that? Probably not.... almost EVERYONE follows what they are TOLD to follow.

Back to my original question... yeah it could be "bullshit"... THATS WHAT I WAS ASKING... that's why i brought it up.... i don't think they have no idea tho.. i don't think they are simply "feeding me bullshit"... i think it's their best estimate at this time with their current knowledge.

To say that they know no more than us is just insane to say... they have devoted their life and studies to those subjects... they DO know more than us. I understand the argument of "bad" scientists, ala bad doctors, lawyers, etc.... however, i belive most of this to be "generally understood" by the scientific community. Not just one scientist that came up with all of these figures......
Yes, i did change the religion i was raised to be (twice)!!
You should rephrase your satement to say they know more than you!!
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:36 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Yes, i did change the religion i was raised to be (twice)!!
You should rephrase your satement to say they know more than you!!

ok good for you... honestly.. i didnt know that...
what are you, if you don't mind me asking?

but i still say you know nothing that the scientific community does.. you don't even have access to the equiptment they use....
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We getting into this again?
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