Castro........Smoke?

[Zoomzoomers]

^^^ You're completely correct about China gamma and I do agree with you that more needs to be done there, but honestly they're fast becoming capitalists faster than we can say, "che ching!!!". So I doubt we have much to worry about there. Greed will soon take it's course and their own people will force change.

On the other hand, your comparo with other dictators wit Castro is severly misguided, IMHO. Why? Because you are segmenting individuals. I mean if we were to do that I could literally respect every murderer and criminal to have took a breath in this world. Kill one? Kill millions? Sure, there is a difference, but is there really? Philosophically speaking a heinous crime is a heinous crime. Just because Castro didn't kill the jews/cripled/door knockers on a Sat. morning doesn't make him any better than Hilter. Or any other tyrant for that matter. Your argument is a moot point gamma.

If you want to segment individuals by deed then we can say that Hitler is far better than Castro. Did Castro build one of the world's best, if not the best, armies? Did Castro create one of the biggest industrial nations from nothing? Did Castro unite a nation? We can nit pick, but it is what it is gamma. We're friends, and I respect you for most, if not all, of your opinions, but if you think that I'm gonna respect you for this one, you're mistaken. Castro is a tyrant. He should be hung for his crimes. There is nothing you can say that he's acomplished, positive or otherwise, that would make me think, remotely, that I could respect such an individual. I find it alarming that you're literally searching to satisfy your personal desire to respect this animal. Maybe, I mean MAYBE, I could see it your way if you could prove to me that Castro let a Deh Deh Deh kid cut in front of him in line at Elemetry school, but otherwise it's a resounding NO.

[Archer Troy]

Originally Posted by zerovdub

you mean you don't?!! They had heart! When society told them not to murder people they went ahead and did it anyways. That shows guts and I respect and miss them all..

waaaay too funny!

[GZire]

Originally Posted by gammawolf

^^^All these comparisons with Hitler Castro was no Hitler. Not even close.

Hitler takes credit for the systematic mass genocide of 10 million ethnic minorities, plus gays and Jehovah's Witnesses; euthanizing his own handicapped, sick and mentally retarded; starting WWII; authoritarian rule; and elevating eugenics as a science to prove racial superiority.

Is Castro criminal of Human Rights abuse? Absolutely. However, Castro can take credit for ending racism within his own country; universal literacy; free higher education; one of the world's lowest infant-mortality rates; and a healthcare network that treats all Cubans for free and provides relief in the Third World and to victims of natural disasters from Pakistan to Haiti.


But here is where I point the finger at all of you. Do you all remember Tiananmen Square in July 1989? Do you know of China's Human Rights abuses and One Child Policy? Falun Gong? Where over 60% of cases ended in torture?

We compare the numbers and China has done much much more to violate human rights to its own citizens than Cuba has ever done. Yet the Olympics will be in China, McDonalds is in China, and you know people who have seen the Great Wall.

Why?

What's the double standard? Why do we give China a pass, but Cuba not? Why don't you compare the totalitarian regimes of Communist China to Adolf Hitler ad nauseum? We went to war with them too in Korea! Why?

All I'm doing is calling it the way I see it. I told you, I see Castro for who he is, a bad guy. No doubt. Do I have admiration for him, yeah, I do. Do I dismiss what he's done? No. But if I were to post something on China and glorify what they're doing by having quasi-captialism mixed with a totalitarian regime, you wouldn't lambaste me the way you have done? Why?

Is it because Fidel is 1 guy, that's been there forever? 1 guy that's easier to vilify? Or is it because China has finally allowed McDonald's and Starbucks to operate in China, plus BMW and Mercedes that makes them become a more Western and acceptable country to you and you turn a blind eye to their atrocities?

Castro sucks.

Chinese rule under the guise of Communism sucks. Telling you who you do or do not breed with is BS. Yes if you supported China I would gas you. Do you like the Chinese way of ruling? Who said I turned a blind eye to their attrocities?

If you like Castro so be it, but don't whip these bullcrap stories out of your butt and tell me who I do or do not support and agree with.

[SmokeG305]

Originally Posted by gammawolf

Is Castro criminal of Human Rights abuse? Absolutely. However, Castro can take credit for ending racism within his own country; universal literacy; free higher education; one of the world's lowest infant-mortality rates; and a healthcare network that treats all Cubans for free and provides relief in the Third World and to victims of natural disasters from Pakistan to Haiti.

i don't know whether to laugh at this paragraph, or shake my head in pity. first of all, how did castro end racism in cuba? how can you prove something like that?

secondly, universal literacy? wtf are you talking about? ALL of the cubans that come here by raft can barely speak normal spanish, much less write it .

free higher education, yeah, but only to a very small percentage of students. usually, this is saved for students who have the parents that kiss ass the most. the reality is, 99% of cubans never even step inside a college.

lastly, concerning your healthcare issues, you have NO idea what you're talking about. first of all, NO ONE in the island gets any treatment for ANYTHING. i KNOW this for a fact, and there's NO WAY you're going to know more on this subject than me. what there does exist, is much cheaper care for patients WHO ARE FOREIGNERS. FOREIGNERS who can pay their way to treatment with dollars and euro's. and FYI, all the proceeds from these procedures go straight into castro's bank account. the sorry excuse for doctors don't get any of that money. lastly, the free help around the world... that's very cute... now go back and show me just how many cubans actually went to give help, and WHAT they were able to do. go ahead, this should be great fun


on a side note: gamma, if you love castro so much and think cuba is such a great place. why don't you go live there and leave the horrible place you currently live in?