Fidel Castro is the Cuban Tony Soprano. Tony Soprano is by no means a good guy. He's a criminal, he's a bastard, philanderer, etc. etc. etc. But you still root for the guy even though there's only 2 options for him jail or death.
Same thing. I know the guy is going straight to hell if there is one and he's made no apologies. But you know what, he's lasted forever despite the odds and now he gets to retire.
gamma, how could you possibly admire something you don't know?
you need a reality check, gamma. you need to go live in a country for a couple of months that is full of corruption. just READ UP on some latin american news for a change.
get out of your comfortable little liberal haven in california, and experience for yourself what living in venezuela, nicaragua, bolivia and ecuador is like.
Hell forget Little Havana Smoke. Go to any major city in FL and ask about the crime rate since the damn Cuban boat lift, in which, Castro basically emptied his jails/insane assilums/and the Deh Deh Deh schools so he can send them over here to us. He basically sent over the lowest of the low lives to our nation and what did they do??? They basically went on a crime wave that's still going on today. You really want to have sympathy for such a guy?
and this is the type of people who still remain on the island today.
what? what concentration camps? im talking about literal concentraton camps in the sense that the nazis gave fame to.
i know he made concentration camps in the sense of murder of torture, but i've never heard any of the sort..
they were called 'labor camps'. Same thing as the nazis only without the lampshade making and oven baking.
They worked people to death and executed thousands...interesting enough, the first internment camps/concentration camps in the modern world were established in Cuba..I am a little rusty but I think in the late 1800's..
they were called 'labor camps'. Same thing as the nazis only without the lampshade making and oven baking.
They worked people to death and executed thousands...interesting enough, the first internment camps/concentration camps in the modern world were established in Cuba..I am a little rusty but I think in the late 1800's..
oh yeah i know that. my dad says that people VOLUNTEERED to go to those camps and work on sugar canes for free.
see, I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It is good that his reign ends, he's no longer in touch with his people and he's a former shell of who he used to be. That said, I admire the up and coming Castro before he became what he was actually fighting against.
It's sort of like how I see people wearing Che Gueverra's t-shirts. I can understand that because they lack a figure head they resort to anyone who's got a little fame, but do people understand that this guy was a tyrant? If you'd met him when he was alive he'd probably had you shot on the spot. He murdered many people. How could anyone be so ignorant enough to say that he was a respectable individual? It's analgous to me saying I respect Osama for the feat he was able to pull off. I mean who else has given the US a black eye from a cave? Using that sort of logic, you could respect every serial killer on death row.
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It's sort of like how I see people wearing Che Gueverra's t-shirts. I can understand that because they lack a figure head they resort to anyone who's got a little fame, but do people understand that this guy was a tyrant? If you'd met him when he was alive he'd probably had you shot on the spot. He murdered many people. How could anyone be so ignorant enough to say that he was a respectable individual? It's analgous to me saying I respect Osama for the feat he was able to pull off. I mean who else has given the US a black eye from a cave? Using that sort of logic, you could respect every serial killer on death row.
you mean you don't?!! They had heart! When society told them not to murder people they went ahead and did it anyways. That shows guts and I respect and miss them all..
It's sort of like how I see people wearing Che Gueverra's t-shirts. I can understand that because they lack a figure head they resort to anyone who's got a little fame, but do people understand that this guy was a tyrant? If you'd met him when he was alive he'd probably had you shot on the spot. He murdered many people. How could anyone be so ignorant enough to say that he was a respectable individual? It's analgous to me saying I respect Osama for the feat he was able to pull off. I mean who else has given the US a black eye from a cave? Using that sort of logic, you could respect every serial killer on death row.
great stuff zooms, great stuff.
i also agree on the che shirts. honestly, half of those morons have no idea what che did or was all about.
see, I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It is good that his reign ends, he's no longer in touch with his people and he's a former shell of who he used to be. That said, I admire the up and coming Castro before he became what he was actually fighting against.
WTH is your point? You realize a lot of people still worship Hitler, so that makes Hitler an OK, but misunderstood guy?
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^^^All these comparisons with Hitler Castro was no Hitler. Not even close.
Hitler takes credit for the systematic mass genocide of 10 million ethnic minorities, plus gays and Jehovah's Witnesses; euthanizing his own handicapped, sick and mentally retarded; starting WWII; authoritarian rule; and elevating eugenics as a science to prove racial superiority.
Is Castro criminal of Human Rights abuse? Absolutely. However, Castro can take credit for ending racism within his own country; universal literacy; free higher education; one of the world's lowest infant-mortality rates; and a healthcare network that treats all Cubans for free and provides relief in the Third World and to victims of natural disasters from Pakistan to Haiti.
But here is where I point the finger at all of you. Do you all remember Tiananmen Square in July 1989? Do you know of China's Human Rights abuses and One Child Policy? Falun Gong? Where over 60% of cases ended in torture?
We compare the numbers and China has done much much more to violate human rights to its own citizens than Cuba has ever done. Yet the Olympics will be in China, McDonalds is in China, and you know people who have seen the Great Wall.
Why?
What's the double standard? Why do we give China a pass, but Cuba not? Why don't you compare the totalitarian regimes of Communist China to Adolf Hitler ad nauseum? We went to war with them too in Korea! Why?
All I'm doing is calling it the way I see it. I told you, I see Castro for who he is, a bad guy. No doubt. Do I have admiration for him, yeah, I do. Do I dismiss what he's done? No. But if I were to post something on China and glorify what they're doing by having quasi-captialism mixed with a totalitarian regime, you wouldn't lambaste me the way you have done? Why?
Is it because Fidel is 1 guy, that's been there forever? 1 guy that's easier to vilify? Or is it because China has finally allowed McDonald's and Starbucks to operate in China, plus BMW and Mercedes that makes them become a more Western and acceptable country to you and you turn a blind eye to their atrocities?
^^^All these comparisons with Hitler Castro was no Hitler. Not even close.
Hitler takes credit for the systematic mass genocide of 10 million ethnic minorities, plus gays and Jehovah's Witnesses; euthanizing his own handicapped, sick and mentally retarded; starting WWII; authoritarian rule; and elevating eugenics as a science to prove racial superiority.
Castro did the same thing but on a smaller scale. as I said before, he is limited by his countries geography...UMAP: CASTRO’S GENOCIDE PLAN <--the link is a bit biased but it gives you an idea of what he did to people. Just like Hitler but on a smaller scale..
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Is Castro criminal of Human Rights abuse? Absolutely. However, Castro can take credit for ending racism within his own country; universal literacy; free higher education; one of the world's lowest infant-mortality rates; and a healthcare network that treats all Cubans for free and provides relief in the Third World and to victims of natural disasters from Pakistan to Haiti.
Actually if you check your facts, Cuba had the same infant-mortality rates before Castro took over. That is just one thing he did not fuck up..
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But here is where I point the finger at all of you. Do you all remember Tiananmen Square in July 1989? Do you know of China's Human Rights abuses and One Child Policy? Falun Gong? Where over 60% of cases ended in torture?
We compare the numbers and China has done much much more to violate human rights to its own citizens than Cuba has ever done. Yet the Olympics will be in China, McDonalds is in China, and you know people who have seen the Great Wall.
Why?
What's the double standard? Why do we give China a pass, but Cuba not? Why don't you compare the totalitarian regimes of Communist China to Adolf Hitler ad nauseum? We went to war with them too in Korea! Why?
All I'm doing is calling it the way I see it. I told you, I see Castro for who he is, a bad guy. No doubt. Do I have admiration for him, yeah, I do. Do I dismiss what he's done? No. But if I were to post something on China and glorify what they're doing by having quasi-captialism mixed with a totalitarian regime, you wouldn't lambaste me the way you have done? Why?
There is no double standard. If someone was going start praising Jintao I would say the same thing!
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Is it because Fidel is 1 guy, that's been there forever? 1 guy that's easier to villainy? Or is it because China has finally allowed McDonald's and Starbucks to operate in China, plus BMW and Mercedes that makes them become a more Western and acceptable country to you and you turn a blind eye to their atrocities?
No one is turning a blind eye to them...and no one is praising them...
They had heart! When society told them not to murder people they went ahead and did it anyways. That shows guts and I respect and miss them all..
