Hey Neft, since you're the in-house bible thumping wizard I have a question to post to you...
If I offend anyone via my ignorance of the subject please look the other way...
So Neft...
Is Mormonism a cult??? I just an interesting show on PBS about Mormoms which I never knew about. So I wanted to ask you about this since you seem so knowledgeable with regards to this subject.
Also, I didn't know that Mormoms believe that they're related to Isralites and that the Jews came to North American 2500 years ago to inhabit America. Basically, they believe that they're the great grandfathers of American Indians.
Is that why Mormoms all seem to be well off? Because they get a portion of the casino profits???
Lay down your knowledge Neft.
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The real questions is, does anyone here believe in Evolution? If not, can you explain all the different races/ethnicities that we have now?
If we're all decendets from Moses family (they surived the flood), shouldn't the end of human life occured? Seeing how incest would destroy the human population after the 2nd generation?
Basically, in order for whole moses story to be true, all of the decendents would have to be physically retarded due to inbreeding. I doubt after the 2nd generation of incest breeding, the population could survive.
Hey Neft, since you're the in-house bible thumping wizard I have a question to post to you...
If I offend anyone via my ignorance of the subject please look the other way...
So Neft...
Is Mormonism a cult??? I just an interesting show on PBS about Mormoms which I never knew about. So I wanted to ask you about this since you seem so knowledgeable with regards to this subject.
Also, I didn't know that Mormoms believe that they're related to Isralites and that the Jews came to North American 2500 years ago to inhabit America. Basically, they believe that they're the great grandfathers of American Indians.
Is that why Mormoms all seem to be well off? Because they get a portion of the casino profits???
Lay down your knowledge Neft.
Mormonism 101...
Founded about two hundred years ago by a guy named Joseph Smith... who claimed to have received a personal visit from GOD the Father and Jesus Christ and told that all churches and their creeds were an abomination (seriously)!!
So he decides to start up a brand new religion that claims to be 'THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH ON EARTH'... yeah, i say he needed to go sit down somewhere & drink bag-juice!!
Mormonism (cult in question) contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible... which of course is nuts, b'cuz to truly believe in and trust GOD means to believe in HIS Word!! All Scripture is inspired by GOD, which means it comes from HIM (2 Timothy 3:16)!!
... wait... hold up, read this, they are even more nuts than i thought!!
Original Text Here!!
Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, instead of just one. 1) The Bible “as far as it is translated correctly.” Which verses are incorrectly translated are not always made clear 2) The Book of Mormon was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth, and that a person could get closer to God by following its precepts, “than by any other book.” 3) The Doctrine and Covenants is considered scripture by Mormons, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth's creation.
Mormons believe these things about God: that He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. Christians know this about God: there is only One true God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-, that He always has and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27, Psalm 90:2, 1 Timothy 1:17), and that He was not created, but is the Creator (Genesis chapter1, Psalm 24:1, Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8, Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).
Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: The Celestial Kingdom, the Terrestrial Kingdom, the Telestial Kingdom and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this mortal life. The Bible tells us that after death, we go to Heaven or Hell based on whether we had faith in Jesus or not. To be absent from our bodies as believers means we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-. Unbelievers are sent to Hell, or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes for the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a New Heaven and New Earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).
Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. They believe Jesus is a God, but that any human can also become a god. Christians historically have taught that God is Triune and that He exists eternally as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). No one can achieve the status of God, only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16) and is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, who now has the highest place of honor in Heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8, 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, and God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to Heaven by our own works, only with faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). And many will not choose Him. “You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way” (Matthew 7:13). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace has allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Clearly there is only one way to receive salvation; to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17, 3:2. When we have this faith, we will automatically be obedient to God's laws and become baptized out of love for Him, but not because it is a requirement for salvation. We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people - they are involved in a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.
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without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
The real questions is, does anyone here believe in Evolution? If not, can you explain all the different races/ethnicities that we have now?
If we're all decendets from Moses family (they surived the flood), shouldn't the end of human life occured? Seeing how incest would destroy the human population after the 2nd generation?
Basically, in order for whole moses story to be true, all of the decendents would have to be physically retarded due to inbreeding. I doubt after the 2nd generation of incest breeding, the population could survive.
... i takes a greater leap of faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in GOD!!
Easy way to explain all the different races/ethnicities...
GOD made Adam, then made Eve... packed both those hookahs full of the genetic material to go forth & multiply... we have no idea what either of them looked like... i'm sure out of the many kids they had, they all looked very different to each other... this wasn't a cause for alarm of course, they were the only poeple... this would have been normal (eg. Adam being asian looking, Eve looking black... & Cain coming out looking white & Abel indian, etc.) then as their kids procreated w/ each other... even more combinations!! Incest wasn't yucky then... sh*t, there was no one lese... had too... but @ this time, the genetic line was still damn strong w/ no mutations... & by the time it would have gotten there, there were enough spacing that there would be no more incest & thus negating it, making it a non issue!!
Now imagine, after the flood, Noah & his clique (not Moses) are all that's left... so the process starts over again (except, now it would be cousins breeding, which apparently still happens today in areas like W.VA, HI, etc.), except the line is strained so vast reduction in different combos available...!!
Then add in genocide, migration, etc. etc. & we are left w/ the current selection we have availble in this day n' age!!
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Originally Posted by Infiniti514
without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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Originally Posted by Infiniti514
saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
... i takes a greater leap of faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in GOD!!
Easy way to explain all the different races/ethnicities...
GOD made Adam, then made Eve... packed both those hookahs full of the genetic material to go forth & multiply... we have no idea what either of them looked like... i'm sure out of the many kids they had, they all looked very different to each other... this wasn't a cause for alarm of course, they were the only poeple... this would have been normal (eg. Adam being asian looking, Eve looking black... & Cain coming out looking white & Abel indian, etc.) then as their kids procreated w/ each other... even more combinations!! Incest wasn't yucky then... sh*t, there was no one lese... had too... but @ this time, the genetic line was still damn strong w/ no mutations... & by the time it would have gotten there, there were enough spacing that there would be no more incest & thus negating it, making it a non issue!!
Now imagine, after the flood, Noah & his clique (not Moses) are all that's left... so the process starts over again (except, now it would be cousins breeding, which apparently still happens today in areas like W.VA, HI, etc.), except the line is strained so vast reduction in different combos available...!!
Then add in genocide, migration, etc. etc. & we are left w/ the current selection we have availble in this day n' age!!
Too much incest will lead to infertility......not negate it!! Plus there is scientific evidence of evolution. All you have is a book of stories.
... i takes a greater leap of faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in GOD!!
What? Now you are out of line. Evolution is easier to prove than creationism. I know you are religious but how can you as an intelligent person just assume that the story in a book that is old as hell, with no known author, is the truth....
What? Now you are out of line. Evolution is easier to prove than creationism. I know you are religious but how can you as an intelligent person just assume that the story in a book that is old as hell, with no known author, is the truth....
... that has yet, in over 2,000 years, to be proven inaccurate or wrong!!
The question is, how can you, as a very respected intelligent being subscribe to a theory that changes every couple years based on whatever new model supercedes the old due to inconclusiveness & utter failure... plus it doesn't make sense, it's just mind numblingly complicated, fluff!!
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Originally Posted by Infiniti514
without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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Originally Posted by Infiniti514
saying Neft is a strong Christian is an understatement.
What? Now you are out of line. Evolution is easier to prove than creationism. I know you are religious but how can you as an intelligent person just assume that the story in a book that is old as hell, with no known author, is the truth....
+1.......thats why they call it faith. But the bible consists of 4 authors, Matthew, Paul, Luke & John.....and their stories.
Evolution is just a theory that has not yet been disproved.
Creationism is just a story that someone wrote down in a book.
Everyone can argue until they are blue in the face but honestly not many people from either side are ever going to agree with one another EVER!
And Zooms, as far as your first question goes, Yes Mormonism is a cult but all religions are as far as I am concerned...Mormon ideas just seem to be even more far fetched and crazy then some others that we are used to hearing about...
Rudy!!!!!! I mean Neft!!!!
, that He always has and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27, Psalm 90:2, 1 Timothy 1:17), and that He was not created, but is the Creator (Genesis chapter1, Psalm 24:1, Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8, Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).