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Old 02-13-2008, 11:25 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That won't happen, b'cuz HE let's us know HE is real... & one fo the reasons HE set eternity in our hearts... you know this existence isn'tt he end... sh*t, peveryone do... anyone claiming otherwise is lying... that is why there is so much fascination w/ the nonphysical/spiritual realm!!
of course it wont happen. thats why people need to just shut up about it. if you dont believe in God fine. more room in Hell for you. its those same people who will be on their knees praying in that time of need, asking for forgiveness on judgement day.

i honestly thing it is a true waste of time to argue with someone about religion. I've known so many people who werent believers and then were converted by their own experience. Everyone needs to have that time. Many do and still dont want to admit or give HIM his glory. Those people burn in eternal fire.
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:32 AM   #32 (permalink)
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of course it wont happen. thats why people need to just shut up about it. if you dont believe in God fine. more room in Hell for you. its those same people who will be on their knees praying in that time of need, asking for forgiveness on judgement day.

i honestly thing it is a true waste of time to argue with someone about religion. I've known so many people who werent believers and then were converted by their own experience. Everyone needs to have that time. Many do and still dont want to admit or give HIM his glory. Those people burn in eternal fire.
... i care too much!!
Plus we have been charged to spread The Word to any that have an ear!!
Hopefully, something i say will remain w/ them, or could be the catalyst for change of thought, or even not the person intended, but someone who chences on the exchange!!
i face much adversity... but if i get cussed out by 1,000 people... maybe 1 will take it w/ him... & that makes it all worthwhile, ya digg??
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There is a reason why they use theories such as the iceage, & sh*t hitting the earth to support fossilization... b'cuz fossilization happened @ the same time worldwide, that's is why you don't see anything fossilizing or in the midst of fossilization... all seems to either be fossilized, or not...
now you are talking out of your ass. fossilization did not happen all at once. It is happening now. It happens every day. That is like saying that all crude oil in the ground just became oil all at once and diamonds were always diamonds....You can bore into the earth and take a very long core sample and see that some fossils are billions of years old and some are a few million years old. There needs to be near perfect conditions to form a fossil usually something has to be buried/frozen right away in a low bacteria environment. How often are you around that? It is rare for something to actually be exposed to those conditions and even rarer for it to be undusturbed..That is why you don't SEE anything fossilizing...
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of course it wont happen. thats why people need to just shut up about it. if you dont believe in God fine. more room in Hell for you. its those same people who will be on their knees praying in that time of need, asking for forgiveness on judgement day.

i honestly thing it is a true waste of time to argue with someone about religion. I've known so many people who werent believers and then were converted by their own experience. Everyone needs to have that time. Many do and still dont want to admit or give HIM his glory. Those people burn in eternal fire.
thats your opinion of what happens after we die. i dont believe in that crap so i'm not concerned about burning in hell like you say b/c i dont believe there is a hell.

without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
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now you are talking out of your ass. fossilization did not happen all at once. It is happening now. It happens every day. That is like saying that all crude oil in the ground just became oil all at once and diamonds were always diamonds....You can bore into the earth and take a very long core sample and see that some fossils are billions of years old and some are a few million years old. There needs to be near perfect conditions to form a fossil usually something has to be buried/frozen right away in a low bacteria environment. How often are you around that? It is rare for something to actually be exposed to those conditions and even rarer for it to be undusturbed..That is why you don't SEE anything fossilizing...
... i know you really not bringing carbon dating, sampling, etc. into this discussion!!
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thats your opinion of what happens after we die. i dont believe in that crap so i'm not concerned about burning in hell like you say b/c i dont believe there is a hell.

without people, there would be no religion....but there would still be science.
... this works how??
i mean really... that sh*t is funny... you want to know how funny it is...??






PS. Science Theory is a religion!!

Operational science, on the other hand... whih you haven't touched yet, is not!!
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... i know you really not bringing carbon dating, sampling, etc. into this discussion!!
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yes I am bringing it into this discussion...
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yes I am bringing it into this discussion...
The same sh*t that will measure an object's d\age as 15b years... the same object tested @ a later date as d/age as 10m years... then the piece of bread you are eating right now as 30b years... to say it's highly inaccurate is an understatement!!
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fossils in the form of bones showing the evolution of a species over time.


WTF are you talking about?? are you saying we evolved from dinosaurs?


stop typing before your hurt yourself. the proof of evolution can be seen in changes among organisms from generation to generation in the form of gene markers. THEORY of evolution, merely attempts to explain this observation. you cannot really prove that the fish we see with supposed feet were ancestors of the fish we see today. for example, look at flying fish today. you think they are going to evolve into regular fish? .... or will they just die out?


I am sick and tired of people believing that science and religion cannot co-exist. there are still WAAYYY too many unanswered questions in our world in order to make that assumption. as a scientist myself, I KNOW you cannot rule out anything until it has been tested, and retested over and over again.
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I'm sorry 14IOU's, but that's about the most moronic statement I've ever read. Re-read it for yourself and then tell me what you think. I mean really. There would be science without people??? Isn't that like saying that there would be fat without cellulite?
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now you are talking out of your ass. fossilization did not happen all at once. It is happening now. It happens every day. That is like saying that all crude oil in the ground just became oil all at once and diamonds were always diamonds....You can bore into the earth and take a very long core sample and see that some fossils are billions of years old and some are a few million years old. There needs to be near perfect conditions to form a fossil usually something has to be buried/frozen right away in a low bacteria environment. How often are you around that? It is rare for something to actually be exposed to those conditions and even rarer for it to be undusturbed..That is why you don't SEE anything fossilizing...

just for the sake of throwing it out there:

there are actually a few flaws with dating techniques, and they increase as we go further back in time.
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I'm sorry 14IOU's, but that's about the most moronic statement I've ever read. Re-read it for yourself and then tell me what you think. I mean really. There would be science without people??? Isn't that like saying that there would be fat without cellulite?

i think what he was trying to say is that the changes and stuff we see around the universe would still go on, even if we werent here.


unfortunately, 14@! doesn't realize that science is a study that humans practice.


unless roaches are secretly plotting our destruction.
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Ok, since I started this thread let me chime in here...

1. So does this mean that I won't get a white short sleave and black tie so I can bike around town?

2. My plans for 10 wives won't work now???
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Also, I saw this show on the History channel that stated that the bible is one of the few books that can be proven to be historically factual. Of course, not all instances, but historical dates and such have been proven to be factual based on other written historical records. So, the who's and why's might be questionable, but when and where have been proven to be "historically" factual.
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the bible is an amazing book, to say otherwise is stupidity.
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