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Old 12-13-2007, 06:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Clemens, Bonds, Tejada among names in steroid probe - Los Angeles Times

THE MITCHELL REPORT
Clemens, Bonds, Tejada among names in steroid probe
By Dylan Hernandez
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1:45 PM PST, December 13, 2007

Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and former American League most valuable player Miguel Tejada were among the players identified as users of performance-enhancing drugs in former Sen. George Mitchell's 409-page report on drug use in baseball released this morning.

Other notable players named in the report were Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Lenny Dykstra, David Justice, Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco and Rick Ankiel. Former Dodgers Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne and Paul Lo Duca, and former Angels Troy Glaus and Mo Vaughn, were also listed.

"For more than a decade, there has been widespread and illegal use of anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing substances by players in Major League Baseball in violation of federal law and baseball policy," Mitchell said at a news conference this morning in Manhattan.

The report culminated a 21-month investigation by Mitchell, hired by baseball Commissioner Bud Selig to examine the steroids era.

"Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades -- commissioners, club officials, the players association and players -- shares to some extent the responsibility for the steroids era," Mitchell said. "There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on."

Only two active players are known to have cooperated with Mitchell: Jason Giambi and Frank Thomas.

Many of the names in the report were provided to Mitchell by former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, who had to cooperate with the investigation as part of his guilty plea for illegal steroid distribution.

Radomski sold performance-enhancing drugs to former Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees strength coach Brian McNamee, according to the report. McNamee, in turn, allegedly provided drugs to Clemens, Pettitte and Knoblauch. McNamee also cooperated with Mitchell's investigation.

Mitchell urged baseball to improve its testing program, adding, "This is a serious problem that cannot be solved by anything less than a well-placed and well-executed plan by everyone involved in baseball."

Mitchell urged Selig to hold off on punishing players in the report "except in those cases where he determines that the conduct is so serious that discipline is necessary to maintain the integrity of the game."

Several stars named in the report could pay the price in Cooperstown, much the way Mark McGwire was kept out of the Hall of Fame this year merely because of steroids suspicion.

"Former Commissioner Fay Vincent told me that the problem of performance-enhancing substances may be the most serious challenge that baseball has faced since the 1919 Black Sox scandal," Mitchell said in the report.

"The illegal use of anabolic steroids and similar substances, in Vincent's view, is 'cheating of the worst sort.' He believes that it is imperative for Major League Baseball to 'capture the moral high ground' on the issue and, by words and deeds, make it clear that baseball will not tolerate the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs."

The players union sent an e-mail to agents this morning and suggested that they "decline general comment on the report and respond only on behalf of a particular player named in the report."
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Cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually I was reading through the names and the stats today. If anything the report proves that steroids are not really any sort of advantage. 3/4 of the players in the report used them to help recover from an injury of some sort and over 3/4 of the players named sucked! The list is like a whos-who of sucky to moderatly sucky players! There are only a few players on there who were any good. I truly believe that these players would have been good even without the help of HGH...and I really don't consider them cheaters by any aspect..
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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and honestly, is this a freaking witchhunt?
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I thought people were innocent until proven guilty in this country! 'Steroid suspicion' is not 'proven steroid user'.....
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this might sound dumb... but who says steroids and even being stronger mean you can hit the ball further or more importantly, BETTER....
i could eat steroids for breakfast lunch and dinner, but never play professional baseball. i really don't see the point of any of this... call me dumb, but whatever.
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this might sound dumb... but who says steroids and even being stronger mean you can hit the ball further or more importantly, BETTER....
i could eat steroids for breakfast lunch and dinner, but never play professional baseball. i really don't see the point of any of this... call me dumb, but whatever.
If you are an elite athlete then given a steroid/performance enhancing drug, it can be a huge aid. These guys aren't joe schmoes, they are the guys who are fantastic athletes to begin with.

Pitchers like to use performance enhancers, not because they help mechanics or can really boost your velocity, but because it can help you keep your velocity. The season is incredibly long and a lot of pitchers can break down over the course of the year.

For batters it doesn't help them see any better, but it helps them get around on a pitcher just that split second faster. It turns guys like Bonds who already had great vision and gave him the ability to sit on a ball just a bit longer and destroy it.

For the younger generation they look at it as being able to get the edge to make it to the next level.



..........and finally the poster child for steroids (besides the Chinese athletes, especially the swimmers of the 90's) is Ben Johnson. He was an "average" elite olympic sprinter, never a contender. He gets on the juice and beats Carl Lewis and earns an Olympic gold medal...........so yeah they work.
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^^^I agree.....well said.........
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Have you seen what the 60's era East German women's swim team looked like? They were all shims.

I say let them all juice away. No! Make it mandatory. If you wanna play pro sports you must juice. You have to check in twice daily and have a 6" needle pump you full of gorilla nutbutter. Then sports might be fun again.

Hell, why stop there. Lets make it so that the ref's have to juice too. No wait. Let's make it so that the old beatup announcers have to juice too. Then they can do commercials of juice, during the Superbowl instead of beer.
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this is on si.com today
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Pettitte asked the trainer he shared with Roger Clemens, Brian McNamee, to help him with HGH while on the disabled list early in the 2002 season, the report said. McNamee recalled injecting Pettitte two to four times, Mitchell said.

HGH wasn't banned by baseball until January 2005.

"In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow," Pettitte said in the statement released to The Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks.

"I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped.
there are quite a few players who used this stuff way before it was banned. Again, why are they making such a big deal about it?
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^^^ yeah i saw thta same thing. i feel l ike its not a big deal at all. it wasnt even a banned substance at the time so how could it be wrong???
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exactly my point. Why even come out with the report at all? Why not bring up every athlete who used some sort of enhancement before it was illegal? There would be alot of major athletes listed...It is just stupid...
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of course, like normal.... i don't buy it.
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exactly my point. Why even come out with the report at all? Why not bring up every athlete who used some sort of enhancement before it was illegal? There would be alot of major athletes listed...It is just stupid...
It is, but it's Selig's way of trying to get the heat off of him, both as Comish and team owner.
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In my eyes it makes him look like an idiot. Players using substances that are not yet banned should not have their names dragged through the mud..You and I can understand that this is stupid and doesn't matter. But the 8 year old that looks up to Pettitte prob won't and thats got to suck to think that your hero is a drug user or cheating..
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What sucks is that a 8 yr old kid has to pay up to 3 to 4 months of his hard earned allowance to go see some athlete that get's paid hundreds of millions. When real hero's that he/she should be looking up to out in the battle fields, fires, ghetto's, etc. don't get any respect or the credit they deserve. Just because it, fill-in-the-blank, wasn't illegal back then, doesn't make it right.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that advancements in drugs happen much faster than advancements in technologies to detect them. Hell, it's so lobsided that before officials even find out that a certain substance should be illegal everyone and their gorilla friends have been on it for years. Just because it wasn't illegal to consume the drug back then, does it make it right? Remember these guys have one word in front of their titles which supposedly makes them adhere to a higher standard. That one word, is "professional". When did that word mean, get away with everything you can till they make it illegal. Or it's ok as long as everyone else is doing it.

I'm going to start calling my local crack dealer a "professional" medicine delivery guy from now on. Oh, and the local whore, a professional sperm collector.
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