bro when it comes down to cold hard facts and the reality of shit. you said it best. but people dont want to see it that way. espcially people like alot of republicans that want to say from the moment of conception its a "baby". so taking the morning after pill is abortion and murder.
fuckin idiots.
and that statement wasnt directed at republicans that DONT think the same way. so please dont misunderstand my words in advance.
Word...its a horrible argument to say its a "living" thing, by that accord you could argue that sperm are, since they...are. That would also turn every guy into serial mass murderers.
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bro when it comes down to cold hard facts and the reality of shit. you said it best. but people dont want to see it that way. espcially people like alot of republicans that want to say from the moment of conception its a "baby". so taking the morning after pill is abortion and murder.
fuckin idiots.
and that statement wasnt directed at republicans that DONT think the same way. so please dont misunderstand my words in advance.
So if a woman delivers a child and before the cord is cut she puts the baby in a meat grinder would that be okay?
There has to be a point when it is just not right to kill the fetus. I think anytime the fetus is developed enough it could live outside the body on its own is a little too late.
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Ok, I watched the video and what I was most struck by was the audience. Why in the FUCK was he giving this demonstration to CHILDREN?! Some of those kids looked like they were only 10 or 12 years old. I find it interesting that a religiously affiliated group (in this case Catholic), who I would bet money is opposed to sex ed in school, would give this presentation to children. There is absolutely no reason to give a demonstration on a subject that graphic to children. They aren't voters, they aren't pregnant women considering abortion, and (by virtue of the fact that they are in a video produced by a religiously affiliated organization) they aren't high risk candidates for teen pregnancy. I think it's irresponsible.
It reminds me of the scary crap I saw in the movie "Jesus Camp". THAT movie genuinely frightened me.
All of that said, I agree with the point the doctor was making in the video, I just disagree with the group to whom he chose to make it.
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So if a woman delivers a child and before the cord is cut she puts the baby in a meat grinder would that be okay?
There has to be a point when it is just not right to kill the fetus. I think anytime the fetus is developed enough it could live outside the body on its own is a little too late.
a fetus is just what you said. a fetus is a host(nothing more than a tick or flea.) it has no possiblity of suviving outside of the body. at the 4 month mark im not from abortion b/c anytime after that it MAY be a baby that can survive out of the body
and i say may b/c its possible the host "COULD"(key word) be a baby anytime after that
but before 4 months we have no right just as well as the government has no right to tell a woman what the fuck she cant do
and what you anti-abortion people seem to forget is that. think if abortion was banned. how over populated this country would be. think of the poverty b/c of it. think of all the issue that come with kids as they grow up b/c they didnt have the proper up bringing. everyone that has a baby dont step up to the plate to raise them right just b/c they have a baby. of course we wished they would but it doesnt happen that way and never will
ya'll only think of one side to this arguement. but fail to think of the other.
I think women should have a choice in the matter, but the father should also be included in the decision. I just think the partial birth is a bit extreme, if the head were to pop out before the doctor kills the baby it would be murder. But as long as the head stays inside the women during the killing it considered an abortion.
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and what you anti-abortion people seem to forget is that. think if abortion was banned. how over populated this country would be. think of the poverty b/c of it. think of all the issue that come with kids as they grow up b/c they didnt have the proper up bringing. everyone that has a baby dont step up to the plate to raise them right just b/c they have a baby. of course we wished they would but it doesnt happen that way and never will
ya'll only think of one side to this arguement. but fail to think of the other.
I dont want to state my own side of this issue, but we should get some facts straight...the annual rate of abortion per year as of 2002 (CDC) is roughly 1.3 million in the United States. That is alot, im not sayin that it isnt, but in a country of 300+million, i dont consider having an additional 1.3 million as over population or a huge treat to the economy.
Another thing, have has anyone here or someone else close to them had an abortion? I do know someone( I am a guy, so i cant have one obviously) and it takes a tremendous toll on the person afterwards. they still regret it. So i personally think that some of the extreme opinions that people have arent valid at all if you havent experienced it, or know someone very close who has. If you havent, ur opinion is basically at a moo point. (Not intended to be directed at any particular person here, just in general)
I dont want to state my own side of this issue, but we should get some facts straight...the annual rate of abortion per year as of 2002 (CDC) is roughly 1.3 million in the United States. That is alot, im not sayin that it isnt, but in a country of 300+million, i dont consider having an additional 1.3 million as over population or a huge treat to the economy.
Another thing, have has anyone here or someone else close to them had an abortion? I do know someone( I am a guy, so i cant have one obviously) and it takes a tremendous toll on the person afterwards. they still regret it. So i personally think that some of the extreme opinions that people have arent valid at all if you havent experienced it, or know someone very close who has. If you havent, ur opinion is basically at a moo point. (Not intended to be directed at any particular person here, just in general)
fyi 1.3 million abortions a year is alot. and you are talking from a prespective without those 1.3 times how many ever years of babies being out here. look at the economy now and the poverty in this country already. and you want to believe 1.3 million extra beings year wouldnt have a significate impact on the US and the earth? you need to open your eyes
and yes "me". my girlfriend had one with my child. and she worked for an OB-GYN for 5 years. herself and myself both feel that b/c of the lack of education that the line is really blury having to deal with the abortion issue. her like myself feels that people need to be educated on when abortion is murder. which is not before mid 2 trimester and mos def not at the momeent of conception which alot of people like to say it is.
so you cant say that cause to each its own. women that have made it up in their mind when they feel they are ready to start a family. will do everything in their power to not run the risk of getting pregnant. and if it does happen. they have already made their mind up they arent until they know they can provide a great life or the best life possible for their child which it should be in every case.
thats just the problem. we always try to fix the problem after its gone on. look at global warming nowadays. however when i was in grade school we were always told we wouldnt see the effects in my generation. now we are scwerming to fix a really bad problem thats getting worse at a rate faster than we can attempt to fix it.
abortion will never be banned also b/c its also like a type of population control. plus banning it would go against what america stands for. freedom of choice
i should have made myself more clear. I understand that 1.3 million is a huge number of people, and it will effect things, but no matter what that effect it, I do not see using abortion as a justification for population control. There is a whole mess of things we can argue about this stuff, but whats the point, right? Seems that we have made up our minds.
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its not a justification. and thats not why i said it. what i did say was whether you realize it or not rather like it or not. it does function has a type of un-intenional population control.
its not a justification. and thats not why i said it. what i did say was whether you realize it or not rather like it or not. it does function has a type of un-intenional population control.
i said it very clear
But so do serial killers.
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