Much of the opposition to affirmative action is framed on the grounds of so-called "reverse discrimination and unwarranted preferences." In fact, less than 2 percent of the 91,000 employment discrimination cases pending before the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission are reverse discrimination cases. Under the law as written in Executive Orders and interpreted by the courts, anyone benefiting from affirmative action must have relevant and valid job or educational qualifications.
my point exactly. whites aren't being turned down for rufus, the corner drug dealer. they're being turned down by ethnic minorities as well as women who are just as qualified as they are who would have otherwise been passed over by the good 'ol boy network running the company.
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So you have no issues that someone who busts their ass cannot get into college or get that scholarship because it's going to someone less qualified because of race?
I know it sucks, but if the playing field were level on all scopes then I would have issues with affirmative action as well.
If K-12 quality of education, funding, and opportunities for all kids was the same for all kids regardless of race, then yeah I'd think affirmative action was a waste of time.
If my high school (South Gate High) didn't have a 42% drop out rate, and didn't have hard headed kids who thought that living and dying in their hood was the only way it was going to be because nobody gave a shit about them, then yeah, affirmative action is just an afterthought.
Our UC schools in Cali have done away with affirmative action. The result is a less diverse campus with more Whites and increasingly more Asians in schools. Is that good? I don't think so. I think college is supposed to bring a well rounded person together and expose them to diverse academics and diverse people.
............Much of the opposition to affirmative action is framed on the grounds of so-called "reverse discrimination and unwarranted preferences." In fact, less than 2 percent of the 91,000 employment discrimination cases pending before the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission are reverse discrimination cases. Under the law as written in Executive Orders and interpreted by the courts, anyone benefiting from affirmative action must have relevant and valid job or educational qualifications.
My issue is more one of admission to college as I had faced issues such as that. In my case too many Japanese are going to College X, therefore even though you go to the best high school in the state, your GPA is not admissible. Not right.
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..............try this. take race completely out of the question and base your opinions solely on sex. should a white man be hired before a white woman? should he earn more? he has always been, and likely will always be, hired before and paid more than his female counterpart for doing the exact same job at the exact same company. i don't know what race you are, but what if your father and mother both basically had the same resume, they applied for the same job, and they hired your mom at 70K/yr and your father at 90K? same job.
don't you see what's wrong with that?
I don't agree with floating pay scales and I see your point. Unfortunately in my line of work (construction), women just usually don't work out. They cannot lift as much as men, they tend to take things personally and not objectively, etc. I think that men and women definitely do have physical differences that make them more suitable to different professions.
I do not agree that schooling and effort does/should make any difference. In school you usually get out what you put into it.
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I know it sucks, but if the playing field were level on all scopes then I would have issues with affirmative action as well.
If K-12 quality of education, funding, and opportunities for all kids was the same for all kids regardless of race, then yeah I'd think affirmative action was a waste of time.
If my high school (South Gate High) didn't have a 42% drop out rate, and didn't have hard headed kids who thought that living and dying in their hood was the only way it was going to be because nobody gave a shit about them, then yeah, affirmative action is just an afterthought.
Our UC schools in Cali have done away with affirmative action. The result is a less diverse campus with more Whites and increasingly more Asians in schools. Is that good? I don't think so. I think college is supposed to bring a well rounded person together and expose them to diverse academics and diverse people.
Texas public universities have done the same. UT was 3% black when i went, and there were 56K people there when i was in. affirmative action is gone, and that number is still pretty close to 3%. the reasons outlined above are why.
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...........my point exactly. whites aren't being turned down for rufus, the corner drug dealer. they're being turned down by ethnic minorities as well as women who are just as qualified as they are who would have otherwise been passed over by the good 'ol boy network running the company.
The majority of the people we've hired in the past several years are not white. We are the largest construction company in Hawaii.
In Hawaii the Good Old Boys network is the Democratic Party (no BS, the power the Democrats have in Hawaii is astounding).
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By the way UT, props to you man. You've come out swingin' in this thread with some really good arguments. I could +1 all over the place.
Since California is projected to be 51% hispanic now (or in the next few years), please keep me informed on how the admissions policies will affect you folks. It should be pretty interesting when all the whites, blacks, asians, indians, etc get passed over. I would be interested to see how a football team with 51% hispanic, X% asian, Y% white, Z% black, etc will fare.
...........except USC, they aren't public, so they will continue to kick ass.
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Affirmative action, the set of public policies and initiatives designed to help eliminate past and present discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, is under attack.
Originally, civil rights programs were enacted to help African Americans become full citizens of the United States. The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution made slavery illegal; the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law; the Fifteenth Amendment forbids racial discrimination in access to voting. The 1866 Civil Rights Act guarantees every citizen "the same right to make and enforce contracts ... as is enjoyed by white citizens ... "
Interesting arguments about the 13th Amendment. However the facts bear out that the last ethnic background of peoples who were enslaved in America were in fact Japanese, not African American. It was much more prevalent on the mainland than here in Hawaii.
Again, I just hate the fact that there is a growing sense of entitlement in America. It is getting away from the immigrant mentality of: we will move where there are opportunities are there for improvement and we will make it due to our hard work.
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Since California is projected to be 51% hispanic now (or in the next few years), please keep me informed on how the admissions policies will affect you folks. It should be pretty interesting when all the whites, blacks, asians, indians, etc get passed over. I would be interested to see how a football team with 51% hispanic, X% asian, Y% white, Z% black, etc will fare.
...........except USC, they aren't public, so they will continue to kick ass.
did you not read what he wrote? UC schools don't have affirmative action anymore. get good grades in HS, quit making excuses, and if you get in, you get in. if you don't, you don't. have you heard of the notion that admissions boards don't always just take the people with the highest scores and/or grades? this is especially true in grad school. schools don't want a bunch of egg head clowns who study 24 hrs a day and have no lives or real revelant personal experiences. they want diversity. the guy with the 1200 SAT score who's from the hood, who worked his butt off to pay for school, who had no father, etc(this isn't me. i played video games and chilled by the pools at the apartment complexes i lived at while i was in college. have you seen the girls in austin?) is just as valuable to his class as the guy with a 1500 SAT score who spent his grade school years in a rich neighborhood and went to school with a bunch of richie rich mofos.
if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. you, honestly, can't possibly know the exact reason why you were passed over. you weren't there when the decision was made, and if you had any kind of inside track on getting in, i would imagine your contact would have done something to help you.
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[/list]Interesting arguments about the 13th Amendment. However the facts bear out that the last ethnic background of peoples who were enslaved in America were in fact Japanese, not African American. It was much more prevalent on the mainland than here in Hawaii.
Again, I just hate the fact that there is a growing sense of entitlement in America. It is getting away from the immigrant mentality of: we will move where there are opportunities are there for improvement and we will make it due to our hard work.
growing sense of entitlement? you mean like the sense of entitlement that caused multiple dealers to scowl at a 25 yr old black guy buying a 38K car? how about the ones that cause people to look at me like i stole my G 'cause they don't think someone like me should have something like that? maybe it's the sense of entitlement that's causing the gentrification of our inner cities which is kicking poor minorities out of the homes they've owned and lived in for years. hell, it could even be the sense of entitlement that causes whites to leave when affluent minorities move into neighborhoods that they once exclusively lived in.
give me a break man. i have no sympathy for someone who's not some sort of minority who complains about how "fair" socieity is. try being me. to tell you the truth, it's not really that hard, but if you could see the world through my, or another minority's eyes, you'd change your tune.
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