that's the same thought process that kept our stupid president in that plane instead of on the ground when the 'ish was hitting the fan. they're americans. maybe they weren't born into the family/money that some of us have. that's not their fault. should they be left to suffer 'cause they're not in a "major financial district?" f that.
how would you feel if your neighborhood was next to one that was grossly more affluent than yours is, and the FEDS left you alone while they helped the rich people? you're an american right? you deserve the same treatment they get right?...or maybe you don't. since you're relatively poor, in my example, you suffer. you wait, you starve, you need, and you die. that's bullshit no matter who's at the controls, and it's bullshit no matter if it's done explicitly or implicitly.
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i don't like Bush either, but like someone said earlier, i put the majority of the blame on the Ray Nagan(sp) the mayor that the New Orlean residents elected, and LA's Governor......If they were doing their job and being more persistent and bout the levy's, they could've prevented alot of this....
NY's mayor and gov did their job and they didn't have any time to prepare for the attacks......
But New Orleans is still a thriving port city and one of the most cosmopolitan in the nation. A year later with debris and rummage still in the street is unacceptable for any city in this country.
Why should we waste money rebuilding a city that is below sea level (increasingly so every year) and WILL end up flooding again? Would not the economic resources of the country be better spent building new port facilities somewhere else on the coast that is more geographically stable.
Take away the emotions, the politics and nostalgia and look at it logically... Only an idiot would intentionally plan a city in flood plains between a river, lake and the ocean. Why repeat that mistake?
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i don't like Bush either, but like someone said earlier, i put the majority of the blame on the Ray Nagan(sp) the mayor that the New Orlean residents elected, and LA's Governor......If they were doing their job and being more persistent and bout the levy's, they could've prevented alot of this....
NY's mayor and gov did their job and they didn't have any time to prepare for the attacks......
agreed, but only to a certain point. it's sad to say this, but your city's mayor is a figurehead, so's mine, and so are 95% of the other mayor's in this country. the truth is, mayors are relatively powerless as compared to other legislative bodies in our system of government. if everything would have gone well, blanco and nagin would have gotten no credit, and bush would have been on an aircraft carrier claming victory on this one too.
the ONLY reason you know the names of nagin and blanco is 'cause everything went bad.
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Why should we waste money rebuilding a city that is below sea level (increasingly so every year) and WILL end up flooding again? Would not the economic resources of the country be better spent building new port facilities somewhere else on the coast that is more geographically stable.
Take away the emotions, the politics and nostalgia and look at it logically... Only an idiot would intentionally plan a city in flood plains between a river, lake and the ocean. Why repeat that mistake?
the idiot was your federal government and the army corps of engineers.
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did anyone realize there was a tropical storm that went through miami yesterday? anyways... the storm was hyped too much, and was thought to cause a lot of damage as a possible cat. 2 hurricane. in the end, the storm turned out to be a dud. it really didnt cause any damage, no power outages, and everything today is basically back to normal as of 2 pm.
why am i telling you guys this? because there were tons of preparations for this storm. lots of people evacuated the keys, and there were literally lines that waited over an hour to put gas. my fear is since this storm was somewhat considered a let down, the next time a storm approaches most south florida residents wont take it as seriously. evacuations wont be as massive, and preparations will be less. what could this lead to? another situation similar to that of katrina for s. florida.
the idiot was your federal government and the army corps of engineers.
Actually no as the United States did not exist in 1718 when N.O. was founded by the French. Try checking your history before blaming the gov't.
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Actually no as the United States did not exist in 1718 when N.O. was founded by the French. Try checking your history before blaming the gov't.
new orleans was developed, as we knew it before it was destroyed, by the corps of engineers and the feds. i watched a 2 hr documentary about it on history international. the miss. river's path was changed by the corps of engineers, who were authorized to do so by the feds, not the french in 1718. it should come out 50-75 miles west of where it does now. new orleans, as we know it now, isn't in the same place the french had it. if the river did empty into the gulf where it was naturally supposed to, much more of louisiana would be protected from shit like this.
try checking your history before you check my shit too.
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new orleans was developed, as we knew it before it was destroyed, by the corps of engineers and the feds. i watched a 2 hr documentary about it on history international. the miss. river's path was changed by the corps of engineers, who were authorized to do so by the feds, not the french in 1718. it should come out 50-75 miles west of where it does now. new orleans, as we know it now, isn't in the same place the french had it. if the river did empty into the gulf where it was naturally supposed to, much more of louisiana would be protected from shit like this.
try checking your history before you check my shit too.
Controlling the course of a river (they didn't change its course, rather they prevented its change of course. though 30% of the water from the Mississippi still drains off to the gulf from the Atchafalaya river.) is not developing a city. NO had been established in the same delta area for over 200 years prior to congress in 1950 authorizing the corp to control the course of the Mississippi. If you want to put the blame on the corps, it'd be the dredging of the lower Mississippi which has caused the delta to deteriotate into nothingness; NO would still be sinking w/o the dredging just at a potentially slower rate.
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Why should we waste money rebuilding a city that is below sea level (increasingly so every year) and WILL end up flooding again? Would not the economic resources of the country be better spent building new port facilities somewhere else on the coast that is more geographically stable.
Take away the emotions, the politics and nostalgia and look at it logically... Only an idiot would intentionally plan a city in flood plains between a river, lake and the ocean. Why repeat that mistake?
I don't get it, are you implying that a city should not be built at the mouth of possibly the most important river in the U.S.?
The U.S. has plenty of cities that are incredibly vulnerable to natural catastrophes. Whether it's L.A. or San Francisco on fault lines, or Miami, Tampa, or Wilmington, N.C. when facing a hurricane, if nature wants to fuck with humans, it can.
All that said, I still think we have the technology and engineering science to develop better barriers to rebuild the city. Furthermore, I think it's only logical to have it at the mouth of the Mississippi and next to the gulf.
But we're chasing our tails here. I'm not going to go back and ask, well why was New Orleans built where it's build. That's just trivial. It was built. A city sprawled there. Life was there and life was lost there. This part concerns me more.
Why did it take so long to get supplies there?
Even though everyone knew about the levees and their vulnerability, why didn't anyone do something about it?
Why did FEMA respond 5 days later?
What has happened since then?
And why does it seem that no one cares any more?
Phelan, I understand your point about the city being in a very vulnerable spot. Regardless, the city will be rebuilt. It doesn't seem like that's going to change. Debating why the city was built there or why New Orleans should be built there is pointless.
I don't get it, are you implying that a city should not be built at the mouth of possibly the most important river in the U.S.?
The U.S. has plenty of cities that are incredibly vulnerable to natural catastrophes. Whether it's L.A. or San Francisco on fault lines, or Miami, Tampa, or Wilmington, N.C. when facing a hurricane, if nature wants to fuck with humans, it can.
All that said, I still think we have the technology and engineering science to develop better barriers to rebuild the city. Furthermore, I think it's only logical to have it at the mouth of the Mississippi and next to the gulf.
Build a city in a toilet bowl, expect it to get flushed...
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