Actually the civil engineer could have f'ed up the road elevation or finished floor elevations. I still don't see how the driveway gets poured like that without somebody questioning it.
Civil could have fupped the road elevations, but they do not set floor elevations, that'd be the architect or structural. FYI things like that do get questioned, but usually too late, or guys in the field just build because they are on time constraints. Hell I had a structural down here tell me to pour a slab over 100' long and over 20' wide with no construction/contraction joints. We told him it would crack and he didn't listen. Well it cracked and even the construction managers who worked for the owners agreed that the cracking wasn't our fault. Rather than admit a mistake the Structural said we didn't cure it right..............I guess the curing compound, curing blankets and several days of wet cure wasn't enough for him. What a douche-bag.
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Edit: Or it could be the surveyor's fault too. I've seen buildings built a foot or two too far to the left or right because the surveyor staked it out incorrectly.
Agreed, it definitely could be the surveyors fault. In any case someone other than the owner will be paying for the repairs.
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Civil could have fupped the road elevations, but they do not set floor elevations, that'd be the architect or structural.
You guys don't set finished floor elevations? How do architects or structural engineers set them without knowing storm elevations (ex. 100 year storm elevation)? Do you give them that information? We set the F.F.E's here.
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You guys don't set finished floor elevations? How do architects or structural engineers set them without knowing storm elevations (ex. 100 year storm elevation)? Do you give them that information? We set the F.F.E's here.
Nope it's all architect or structural for that kind of stuff. The good thing about Hawaii is elevation change, there's usually enough so drainage is not that much of a problem. It's the responsibility of the architect or structural who is heading the design team to obtain the elevations for the surrounding area. While the civil firm might be responsible for gathering the storm data, it's the responsibility of the architect/structural to determine what the final elevations will be...........they like to play king down here.
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Nope it's all architect or structural for that kind of stuff. The good thing about Hawaii is elevation change, there's usually enough so drainage is not that much of a problem. It's the responsibility of the architect or structural who is heading the design team to obtain the elevations for the surrounding area. While the civil firm might be responsible for gathering the storm data, it's the responsibility of the architect/structural to determine what the final elevations will be...........they like to play king down here.
That's interesting. We really don't deal with the architects or structural engineers here much. The PIA's are the land planners and landscape architects. They lay out the site so it's really pretty and has a ton of lots then we have to go in and completely redraw it and make it correct. I really don't even know their purpose. The finished site plan looks nothing like what they come up with. Oh did I mention that lines don't have to be parallel or perpendicular or even touch?
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I'm working on a 200 acre 630 unit PUD with an impossible deadline as we speak.
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Some architects down here might do that sort of stuff or a structural. The civil doesn't have anything to say about where the structures are located, just the piping/plumbing/grading/etc.
If I had to guess I'd say the sidewalk was laid out incorrectly (too close to the house) or the designers might have said there's nothing wrong with the plans.
I think it's fair to say that's a grading issue. Which would be the civil's responsibility.
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I have to agree with Ryno. I've never heard of an Architect or Structural Engineer setting finished floor heights. Noramlly given to us, the architect, by the Civil Engineer based on a benchmark, created by a surveyor. But we all know things work differently every where you go. We do set top of steel elevations, or at least structural might, but never heard and any site issues being traced back to an architect or structural engineer.
No matter who's fault it was, you have to be doubting what you're doing while you're building that don't you? Do they not look at what's going on around them and notice no other homes look like that? Or maybe try to park in the damn driveway??
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I don't envy you working in Florida. I designed the Detroit Tigers minor league ballpark in Lakeland. Also did a large hospital in Lakeland. That place is a bitch to work in. Too many old people.
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wow...you guys have fun jobs.....i've should've been an Architect like Mike Brady....
You can have my job. I hate it. That's why I'm starting the pet sitting business.
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No matter who's fault it was, you have to be doubting what you're doing while you're building that don't you? Do they not look at what's going on around them and notice no other homes look like that? Or maybe try to park in the damn driveway??
As I had stated from my previous example, things do get questioned while being built. Again in my case the structural tried to screw us even after we questioned his design.
Without any information for backup it's all pure speculation except for one thing..........the owner shouldn't have to pay to correct any mistake it is all on the designer and/or contractor.
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it sounds fun designing and building things....I just sit behind the computer all day and type...
It's a very long and tedious process. You deal with morons and a host of idiot rules and crazy regulations. In the end it then becomes a rush to finish because of these same people.
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