Well, one of the largest groups were right near where I live and work so I saw lots of it. I think it's had a negative impact as far as my impressions go. Now, I'm thinking we don't send them back but just drive them all into the ocean and let the sharks sort em out. Or we give 12+ million illegals a new job of building the 2nd great wall of China right here on the Rio Grande.
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Well, one of the largest groups were right near where I live and work so I saw lots of it. I think it's had a negative impact as far as my impressions go. Now, I'm thinking we don't send them back but just drive them all into the ocean and let the sharks sort em out. Or we give 12+ million illegals a new job of building the 2nd great wall of China right here on the Rio Grande.
Negative, precisely how? I disagree. its not like they were rioting. and a lot more know about the overall intentions of the protests/boycotts now.
Oh and we'd still get past that wall
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Ok so apparently there was protests here today...they were just scheduled for 6pm to 9pm so that noone would miss work or school. Wasn't skipping out on work and school the whole point of "The Day without immigrants"?
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there was a massive gathering of about 3k people here, pathetic
thought u were hispanic. either way, yeah protest wont achieve much..
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Negative, precisely how? I disagree. its not like they were rioting. and a lot more know about the overall intentions of the protests/boycotts now.
Oh and we'd still get past that wall
Umm... let's see jay. First, these individuals are all here illegally "blatantly" violating our laws, and by so violating our beliefs. So from what I gather, their message is this, ha ha we're already here. We made it through your border, ha ha. Now we're here for good, ha ha. You can't kick us out, ha ha. You "will" find a resolution amiable to "us" and maybe we'll cooperate because you can't kick us out and if you do we'll just come back, ha ha. Jay, what part of this negative message didn't you hear?
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Well, one of the largest groups were right near where I live and work so I saw lots of it. I think it's had a negative impact as far as my impressions go. Now, I'm thinking we don't send them back but just drive them all into the ocean and let the sharks sort em out. Or we give 12+ million illegals a new job of building the 2nd great wall of China right here on the Rio Grande.
The only negative I saw here was a small group of guys trying to stir up trouble with the demonstrators. I think perhaps this has gotten mis understood by the immigrant population, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone forbidding people from coming to the US, just trying to make it legal, so they are on the books, paying taxes, paying into SS etc, am I wrong about this?
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The only negative I saw here was a small group of guys trying to stir up trouble with the demonstrators. I think perhaps this has gotten mis understood by the immigrant population, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone forbidding people from coming to the US, just trying to make it legal, so they are on the books, paying taxes, paying into SS etc, am I wrong about this?
Hey I'm an immigrant myself who came when I was very young. Of course, my parents used the proper channels and was granted residency status and later citizenship. My point to this issue has always been this, these illegal immigrants are not above our laws. They too must subject themselves to our ways/laws/systems if they desire to make a life for themselves here. All I'm saying is that if they want to build a life here, then do it through the proper channels and not by violating our laws. Prove to this nation and it's people that they truely want to contribute to this nation. I can't see how protesting and demanding that they get a "get out of jail free pass" is delivering a "positive" message. My stance about this issue has always been the same, it's first and foremost a "right and wrong" issue before any economics issue. These individuals "must" understand that they cannot violate our laws and get away with it just because there happens to be 12+ million of them. Last time I checked, that is not what America is about, especially our juidicial system. If 12+ bank robbers went on a protest, are we to give them amnesty just because there are too many of them? If this is the case, why must I obey the speed limit or any other law? Why is it that they can continue to violate our laws, but I pay fines for traffic violations? I do understand and even sympothize with the harsh conditions that they live in in their countries of origin, but they must understand that those are their issues not ours. Upholding our way of life and our laws is our issue. Are we to worry about every other nations' issues while we continue on without a resolution to ours? When will this stop, of us shouldering the problems of the rest of the world?
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Hey I'm an immigrant myself who came when I was very young. Of course, my parents used the proper channels and was granted residency status and later citizenship. My point to this issue has always been this, these illegal immigrants are not above our laws. They too must subject themselves to our ways/laws/systems if they desire to make a life for themselves here. All I'm saying is that if they want to build a life here, then do it through the proper channels and not by violating our laws. Prove to this nation and it's people that they truely want to contribute to this nation. I can't see how protesting and demanding that they get a "get out of jail free pass" is delivering a "positive" message. My stance about this issue has always been the same, it's first and foremost a "right and wrong" issue before any economics issue. These individuals "must" understand that they cannot violate our laws and get away with it just because there happens to be 12+ million of them. Last time I checked, that is not what America is about, especially our juidicial system. If 12+ bank robbers went on a protest, are we to give them amnesty just because there are too many of them? If this is the case, why must I obey the speed limit or any other law? Why is it that they can continue to violate our laws, but I pay fines for traffic violations? I do understand and even sympothize with the harsh conditions that they live in in their countries of origin, but they must understand that those are their issues not ours. Upholding our way of life and our laws is our issue. Are we to worry about every other nations' issues while we continue on without a resolution to ours? When will this stop, of us shouldering the problems of the rest of the world?
not everything that is illegal is as harmful as the next thing. Obviously a bank robber will be much more detrimental to society than an immigrant who works, pays sales tax like anyone else and cant claim full insurance/medical benefits-coverage.
Now do u mean that these illegal ppl are always and continually doing illegal and harmful things? Using false documents can be harmful if used for identity theft. If used for work, one simply helps sales at the local grocery store at the minimum (or Hispanic store at that) What about driving privilages, that could def. be harmful yet so can a 55 or so yr old citizen that is losing their vision yet continues to drive out of necessity like the immigrant.
I do agree that most are not contributing much else. They have a mentality that holds them down. I believe Hispanic conditions should feed Hispanic ambition. And until that ambition converts plans into actual success, then Hispanics are tied down to the shitty lives they live here, sometimes no better than the life at their home country.
The US will stop being the country involved in these type of issues when it is no longer the land of oppurtunity --> the globe's powerhouse_
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not everything that is illegal is as harmful as the next thing. Obviously a bank robber will be much more detrimental to society than an immigrant who works, pays sales tax like anyone else and cant claim full insurance/medical benefits-coverage.
Now do u mean that these illegal ppl are always and continually doing illegal and harmful things? Using false documents can be harmful if used for identity theft. If used for work, one simply helps sales at the local grocery store at the minimum (or Hispanic store at that) What about driving privilages, that could def. be harmful yet so can a 55 or so yr old citizen that is losing their vision yet continues to drive out of necessity like the immigrant.
I do agree that most are not contributing much else. They have a mentality that holds them down. I believe Hispanic conditions should feed Hispanic ambition. And until that ambition converts plans into actual success, then Hispanics are tied down to the shitty lives they live here, sometimes no better than the life at their home country.
The US will stop being the country involved in these type of issues when it is no longer the land of oppurtunity --> the globe's powerhouse_
I hope I'm not coming accross as some nazi, because I really do sympathize and understand your point. I really do. I just have a big problem with the fact that this nation seems to be heading towards being a nation of inequality. Where laws only apply to some and not others and where people look the other way to injustice and social problems. I've pretty much stated my feelings and opinions about this issue on anther thread and even tried to propose a possible resolution, so I won't rehash them here. IMHO, I think that when someone does someone else wrong they should show some show of faith that they are willing to mend their ways, I think for all illegal aliens to do so would be the greatest show of faith that they truely do want to assimilate into our society and our ways. Then and only then, can we mend the rift between these two groups. I honestly think that the first inital act of faith should come from those who've already chosen to break our laws. Then it would be the turn of the American people to show their sign of faith in return to somehow accomodate these 12+ million people to our way of life. But I do feel strongly that the process of these people gaining residency should be holely left to the American people to decide in a democratic fashion. Whatever the American people decide these individuals should submit to, if they choose to continue to break our laws it could be taken as an invasion, not only of our soil, but of our way of life. One thing I tend to disagree with is the attitude of many illegals that the American people need to show them this act of faith first by granting some sort of amnesty. As I've said before, we're not the one who have violated their laws, so I don't think it's right for them to be asking or demanding this from the American people. Just my 2 cents.
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Damn La Hacienda, a mexican resturant, was closed yesterday...damn illegals...
My personal opinion, alittle racist: Next time they rally let's put up some fences, let's extend them all the way across the boarder, if they don't want to go, we release the dogs at one end of the gate and watch them scatter...hehehe
