May 1st 2006 - Great American Boycott of 2006

[Neal376]

haha may first is AP Exams I hope this does not apply to students as well! make them look lazy...jeez, I wish I was mexicano

[Phelan]

I dunno, if I was running a company and my employees skipped work to go protest and they hadn't already been scheduled to have the day off I'd really be inclined to give them the rest of the week off w/o pay and tell 'em another unexcused absence will result in termination.

[AustinG35]

I'm not a big Rush Limbaugh fan (in fact I don't listen to his radio show at all) however, a friend forwarded this to me and it really puts things into perspective, especially the last paragraph. For those of you that that think America should just bend over backwards and grant full citizenship and amnesty to illegal immigrants, this might come as a bit of an eye-opener. This was aired 04-06-06:

On Immigration: The Limbaugh Laws
Filed Under: Immigration, Culture, Mexico, Op-Ed, Domestic Policies

"I want to call this proposal the Limbaugh Laws.

If you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor. We are not going to take unskilled workers. You will not be allowed.*

There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in your native language.

Foreigners will not have the right to vote nor will they ever be allowed to hold political office.

According to the Limbaugh Laws, if you’re in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers.

You are not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government goodies.

You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don’t have that amount of money you have to stay home. If you do come and you want to buy land you will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United States. That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this country. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to property.

You don’t have the right to protest when you come here. You’re allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies or you get sent home.

You’re a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and we’re going to hunt you down ’til we find you.

These are the Limbaugh Laws.

I can imagine many of you think that the Limbaugh Laws are pretty harsh. Well, let me tell you this, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico, today. I just read you Mexican immigration law. That’s how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country."

[jayelleseven]

Originally Posted by AustinG35

I'm not a big Rush Limbaugh fan (in fact I don't listen to his radio show at all) however, a friend forwarded this to me and it really puts things into perspective, especially the last paragraph. For those of you that that think America should just bend over backwards and grant full citizenship and amnesty to illegal immigrants, this might come as a bit of an eye-opener. This was aired 04-06-06:

On Immigration: The Limbaugh Laws
Filed Under: Immigration, Culture, Mexico, Op-Ed, Domestic Policies

"I want to call this proposal the Limbaugh Laws.

If you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor. We are not going to take unskilled workers. You will not be allowed.*

There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in your native language.

Foreigners will not have the right to vote nor will they ever be allowed to hold political office.

According to the Limbaugh Laws, if you’re in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers.

You are not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government goodies.

You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don’t have that amount of money you have to stay home. If you do come and you want to buy land you will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United States. That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this country. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to property.

You don’t have the right to protest when you come here. You’re allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies or you get sent home.

You’re a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and we’re going to hunt you down ’til we find you.

These are the Limbaugh Laws.

I can imagine many of you think that the Limbaugh Laws are pretty harsh. Well, let me tell you this, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico, today. I just read you Mexican immigration law. That’s how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country."

mexico is not the country involved in the issue however. (its ppl are) they have strict/harsh laws jus like any 'foreign' country.
would u like the gov. to take 60-70% of your pay so you can get paid vacation, full med. benefits, etc through taxes like in Sweden? ANY country has very differing laws but..

its soley about the US because of its economic power. Land of oppurtunity right?
Everyone seems 2 be picking up all this info from other countries, comparing their policies and laws and what ifs when it doesnt matter.

Im stating the obvious by saying "its the US that ppl, illegal or not, wanna move to" the world is aware of that and no one else is gonn have the situation the US has wit illegal immigration so why not stick 2 home and look at this country's "Limbaugh Laws"..?

[jayelleseven]

Originally Posted by UTROD03

how did you get the reasoning for why blacks and hispanics are the lowest scoring ethnic groups from what i said? if you're still in college, take a sociology class. take an american history one too. better yet, take one that relates the two. my guess is that in a week, you'll learn why blacks and hispanics score lower, why there's yet to be a female president, and why i heard some clown on fox news last night pose the question, "can the duke kids get a fair trial?." i wonder when the last time a rich white guy asked if a minority was going to get a fair trial for some shit?

regardless,

these mexicans are illegal. this country will not shut down if they decide not to work for a day. my guess is the smart ones actually go to work. they value their jobs and the livlihoods of their families enough not to risk either for a bunch of "high-profile" mexicans, who are likely citizens, getting on tv telling them not to go work. i can gaurantee you that there's no way in hell to convince a factory worker from pittsburgh, a mine worker from west virginia, an offshore rig worker from tx, a logger from cali, or an asian family who's earned citizenship and built a solid base in this country that they deserve shit when they skip work to waive mexican flags on national tv. all it's going to do is piss them and i off.

i came across that statistic either on a link on collegeboard.com or a related site when looking for study tips for my SATs a couple yrs back.

of course I know why they are the lowest scoring, in my stats class right now we are using graphs involving GPA's vs. Family Income and theres a definite correlation. theres a thousand other factors but income is one of the biggest_

and youre right by saying the smart ones will go to work. The smart ones, jus like the rest of em, have no other choice tho. They have no significant political represenation that will influence the gov. to their advantage. How else, jus how else will they get their message across...?
by becoming citizens and attaining the right to vote correct? of course. and of course they cannot all do so.

Until the Hispanic economic AND political power greatly increases, there will be, perhaps, steady and subtle changes.

Have you seen them "waive" (wave) American flags as well cuz they have_

[jayelleseven]

Originally Posted by Phelan

I dunno, if I was running a company and my employees skipped work to go protest and they hadn't already been scheduled to have the day off I'd really be inclined to give them the rest of the week off w/o pay and tell 'em another unexcused absence will result in termination.

long as you would not state your reason for firing them in relation to peaceful protest, im pretty sure that is Illegal_ saw it on the news and theres cases popping up wit lawyers willing to protect the worker_

[Phelan]

Unexcused absences is a valid reason for termination in most states if prior warning is given. And in Arkansas and most at will employment states you can fire someone for pretty well any reason or no reason at all.

[UTROD03]

Originally Posted by jayelleseven

i came across that statistic either on a link on collegeboard.com or a related site when looking for study tips for my SATs a couple yrs back.

of course I know why they are the lowest scoring, in my stats class right now we are using graphs involving GPA's vs. Family Income and theres a definite correlation. theres a thousand other factors but income is one of the biggest_

and youre right by saying the smart ones will go to work. The smart ones, jus like the rest of em, have no other choice tho. They have no significant political represenation that will influence the gov. to their advantage. How else, jus how else will they get their message across...?
by becoming citizens and attaining the right to vote correct? of course. and of course they cannot all do so.

Until the Hispanic economic AND political power greatly increases, there will be, perhaps, steady and subtle changes.

Have you seen them "waive" (wave) American flags as well cuz they have_

name one industrialized country on the planet that has the level of border control that the supposed most powerful country in the world has. i don't care what they waive as long as they waive it south of the texas/mexico border. look at austin's post. could an american move to mexico and post up there like a mexican does when he moves to america? hell no. why? i believe they spell it out in every facet of that law. they don't want you unless you IMPROVE mexico, not cause it financial burden.

here's what pisses me off...

an ex of mine was british. we started dating a few years after she got here, and around the time we got together, she was trying to get her work permit to work here in the us. her father had been transferred here by an oil company, so he was cool to work with no problem. anyway, she went through hell to get that thing, and so did her mom. LEGALLY! why should an educated, british citizen, who speaks english, may not appreciate, but definitely understands our culture, and can contribute on an intellectual basis as opposed to a physical one be put through a world of shit to do something a mexican who hops a fence or treads water in a river can do with no problem? after her family's purchase of multiple homes, cars, putting their kids through american universities, and the like, they've contributed much more to america in the past, and potentially in the future, than most non-conforming immigrants will in a lifetme.

WHERE IN THE HELL IS VICENTE FOX??? i've been down to the border enough times to see the little kids and old women selling gum and cigarettes as a means to feed their families. that's sad, but it's not our fault. no one is dropping MREs on innercity streets to feed homeless people. why should we do the same for mexico? vicente fox is a bastard, and he obviously could care less about the poor of mexico. these are his people, and it should be his problem. honestly, what the hell does the us really get from the mexico that provides some kind of NET tangible benefit? NOTHING.

guess what! vicente is about to sign a bill that legalizes posession of just about anything in small quantities. great! now they'll come over with heroin! why not? it's legal.

[jayelleseven]

Originally Posted by Phelan

Unexcused absences is a valid reason for termination in most states if prior warning is given. And in Arkansas and most at will employment states you can fire someone for pretty well any reason or no reason at all.

youre right but like i said, long as you dont include the reason for termination in regards to a peaceful protest. N yea at-will employment is like that, can be term. for any or no damn reason_

[jayelleseven]

Originally Posted by UTROD03

name one industrialized country on the planet that has the level of border control that the supposed most powerful country in the world has. i don't care what they waive as long as they waive it south of the texas/mexico border. look at austin's post. could an american move to mexico and post up there like a mexican does when he moves to america? hell no. why? i believe they spell it out in every facet of that law. they don't want you unless you IMPROVE mexico, not cause it financial burden.

here's what pisses me off...

an ex of mine was british. we started dating a few years after she got here, and around the time we got together, she was trying to get her work permit to work here in the us. her father had been transferred here by an oil company, so he was cool to work with no problem. anyway, she went through hell to get that thing, and so did her mom. LEGALLY! why should an educated, british citizen, who speaks english, may not appreciate, but definitely understands our culture, and can contribute on an intellectual basis as opposed to a physical one be put through a world of shit to do something a mexican who hops a fence or treads water in a river can do with no problem? after her family's purchase of multiple homes, cars, putting their kids through american universities, and the like, they've contributed much more to america in the past, and potentially in the future, than most non-conforming immigrants will in a lifetme.

WHERE IN THE HELL IS VICENTE FOX??? i've been down to the border enough times to see the little kids and old women selling gum and cigarettes as a means to feed their families. that's sad, but it's not our fault. no one is dropping MREs on innercity streets to feed homeless people. why should we do the same for mexico? vicente fox is a bastard, and he obviously could care less about the poor of mexico. these are his people, and it should be his problem. honestly, what the hell does the us really get from the mexico that provides some kind of NET tangible benefit? NOTHING.

guess what! vicente is about to sign a bill that legalizes posession of just about anything in small quantities. great! now they'll come over with heroin! why not? it's legal.

like i said when i quoted austin's post, Mexico is not the country involved in the issue, and i mean directly involved. Ppl from all over come here cuz of oppurtunity right so why do you look at other country's [mexico] policies and laws? If the pres. of mexico is doing a shitty job than its a Mexican gov./political issue and that way, a different issue from this boycott_

Like I emphasised, these 'illegals' and none 'illegals' have very very little options. They have no significant political representation so they are left with protest and they believe the bigger, the better. I disagree wit that since most protest almost never get you more (reform) than what voting will get you. When u speak about a British immigrant having to attain legal status here in a difficult way, do you think its any easier for an mexican or salvadoranian or iranian immigrant?

I am 95% certain it wasn't as much hell for her to attain her legal status than it was for me. She was at a clear advantage from what u mentioned (oil, knew english, etc). Do you think Immigration gave a fuck about me and my parents when they were attempting to get my permanent residency or their own citizenship? Like I said she was at a clear advantage and any mexican jumping a fence never gets whatever visa or legal status she attained. (false documentation can only take u so far)

I especially like this:

"after her family's purchase of multiple homes, cars, putting their kids through american universities, and the like, they've contributed much more to america in the past, and potentially in the future, than most non-conforming immigrants will in a lifetme."

So do you assume 99-100% of other non-conforming immigrants are Hispanic or are u jus stating that a family like hers will not be found in the boycotts or anywhere in the US near US-Mexico borders? cuz my many of my friends and relatives and my own immediate-family is EXACTLY like the one you mentioned above. My dads actually providing jobs instead of "taking them up"

Leading to my last point, what exactly do u mean by net tangible benefit? Any gross/adjusted REAL benefit? you really think the US obtains "NOTHING" from illegal immigration? Im sure everyone knows that the ultimate goal of almost all businesses in the US is to -- Maximize profits. Of course, one of the best ways is to cut cost low-wage labor that NO ONE else would take. High school students might, elders might but both are temporary labor sources. N tho illegal immg. might not pay income tax, sales tax is everywhere.

And the demands everyones speaks of that the Hispanic ppl want, they might not know that this is but a dream (For Now), what we'd simply like is to not be harrassed weekly and daily, requests for legal documentation. That is where is Bush seems to be heading.

Id definitely detest having to carry my Permanent Resident card in the glove compartment of my G whenever officers might feel like what they jus saw is 'jus doesnt look right' And same case for the guy in the truck with the mower, going to cut someone's yard so someday his son wont be doing the same...

[Dizz]

I wonder if Hexx is gonna post on Monday?

[oScottio]

Originally Posted by Dizz

I wonder if Hexx is gonna post on Monday?

dahahaha

u know tho, it's sad...i'm in a shopping plaza and my neighbors who are latino owners are gonna close not because they want to, but because they are scared of being targeted for not closing. it's so wack. they want to open and do business but feel they must close out of fear. i'm a few miles from downtown l.a. where they'll be having the rallies and marches. i was gonna close too cuz i figured traffic congestion and it was gonna be a slow business day..but i kept getting calls from customers asking if i was gonna be open monday, so i decided to open.

i don't think most of these people and students ditching school understand the full scope of the arguement and the reason for the protest. and May 1st?!?! comeon, that's worldwide communist's day. they wanna "freeze" our economy for 1 day to show their power and to receive rights which they aren't entitled to? and amnesty for everyone? omg, that's gonna go smoothly. its gonna be a matter of when our economy is gonna crack, it's already stressed enough. and how is it fair to grant amnesty to those that were able to sneak over here and then turn around and say to those sneaking over.."hey, u just missed it buddy, the deadline passed."

[Phelan]

So far it's been business as usual today. Went to the county courthouse this morning and got the G assessed, went to Acambaro (local mexican chain) for lunch and stopped by the DMV to renew my tags. Didn't see any protesters and no businesses looked to be closed that are usually open.

[jayelleseven]

ur G assessed? havent heard of whips being assesed

A lot of hispanic ppl I know are either jus not going to school BECAUSE they feel uncomfortable (either peer pressure or critizism from other racial groups) and others are just not buying products..

I need 2, a rust coverter or something of that sort_

[Zoomzoomers]

Just yesterday, a friend of mine showed me this web site. It was a bit weird, yet funny and yet in an outlandish way made some sense. Here what it said. This guy is supposed to be some sort of war hero and he is proposing that all US citizens be given rifles and ammo and all be driven to the Mexican/US border. He proposes that all US citizens get to shoot and kill all border jumpers. His mantra, "kill em all, and let Colt sort em out". Oh, he also adds, if they live through the hail of steel then they deserve to be citizens. As they probably can be a soldier, football player or at least a messenger for a message delivery service. I'll try to find the web site and post it here for you guys to see.