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Old 04-24-2006, 05:12 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I am guessing it went to court because the employee was in the union. If so, that's a whole other subject to debate. If not, that is pretty interesting. It'd have to be an unemployment case. If the guy who got fired was fighting for his unemployment check, he makes a good point. If the company allows personal phone calls and things of that nature, one can argue for internet use as well. The fact that they told the employess not to surf and the judge overruled sounds very "Union" to me.

I'm all for productivity, but I know that my employees will work harder if they are happy and running my business with a complete lack of trust in my employees is asking for trouble. I would give them the freedom, but handle excessive behavior on a case by case basis. Websense is definitely a good idea for certain content, but to go crazy and treat them like school children seems extreem. Just my humble opinion.
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I am guessing it went to court because the employee was in the union. If so, that's a whole other subject to debate. If not, that is pretty interesting. It'd have to be an unemployment case. If the guy who got fired was fighting for his unemployment check, he makes a good point. If the company allows personal phone calls and things of that nature, one can argue for internet use as well. The fact that they told the employess not to surf and the judge overruled sounds very "Union" to me.
That would not surprise me in the least, I'm convinced ACLU and Union staff lawyers will take anything however ridiculous. Not sure what you mean, "and things of that nature"? Since when is burning company time playnig solitaire the equivelent of making a necessary personal telephone call? Because some low-level,left-leaning administrative judge decides to legislate from the bench and says so, is laughable IMO..

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I'm all for productivity, but I know that my employees will work harder if they are happy and running my business with a complete lack of trust in my employees is asking for trouble. I would give them the freedom, but handle excessive behavior on a case by case basis. Websense is definitely a good idea for certain content, but to go crazy and treat them like school children seems extreem. Just my humble opinion.
If you want happy, productive employees in a cooperative learning environment, employers must be willing to delegate responsibility and allow autonomy. Sole proprietors are notorious for failing to grow their businesses because they can't take this step. It ain't easy to give up all you've worked so hard to accomplish and trust another to not screw it up. There is a reason your Daddy told you "If you want the job done right, do it yourself." It took a long time to find the right people and let go, but I learned. Now I have the time to post this drivel.

BTW, I was being facitious in the 1st post when I said, "I just pulled all employee telephone access from their worksite and, with the money saved, hired another sysAdmin to lock out all but work-related internet site access. I'm thinking about a ban on cell phones at the workplace too now..." But the point is, when the employer is made to choose between allowing time-wasting solitaire games simply because he allows employees to make 'necessary personal telephone calls' (which is how our employee guidebook phrases it), or pulling the phone access to have the ability to terminate slacking employees... well, unless the employer wants his Co. to die a slow death, it sounds like all the non time-abusing employees are the ones to suffer 'cause the phone's gonna go... That numbskull judge's mentality would be right at home in France with all the employee protections they have there.
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Old 04-25-2006, 12:01 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I definitely agree with you Holly. It sounds like you manage to balance a positive work environment with a high expectation of productivity. Playing solitaire on the clock makes me wonder how neccesary his position is. I think that when I said "things of that nature," I was referring to the personal liberties given to employees based on trust. Things like personal coffee breaks, flexible scheduling (coming in late/leaving early) Cellular phones in the workplace, etc. Most businesses have become more casual with what they allow in the workplace and employees tend to bend those policies into the grey area.
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Most businesses have become more casual with what they allow in the workplace and employees tend to bend those policies into the grey area.
There's a difference between using and abusing. It's the people who abuse that ammenity (not during breaks or lunch) IMO, that have little respect for their employer and creates unfairness to the employees who use that ammenity in a responsible fashion.
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