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Old 02-21-2006, 05:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My little brother bought a used 1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL last Friday that is an absolute lemon from one of those shadey side-of-the-road used car dealers. You know the kinda dealer I'm talking about. The ones who give you the creeps when you see them, and usually whipe their hands on their pants before shaking your hand, wear jeans and a sweatshirt embroidered with the name of their dealership, have slicked back greasy hair, are missing at least 2 teeth, have a trashy sort of accent/lingo, and always wear an expensive watch... as if the watch will make up for and mask the rest of their personal deficiencies and lack of morals.

We live in Massachusetts, and my brother (out of foolishness and naivity... him being a green-behind-the ears and very trusting college student) went and bought the car in New Hampshire where there is no Lemon law, spending his entire savings on it. According to New Hampshire law, you can buy a used car and it doesn't even have to be safe or in a condition that passes state inspection... and it's completely legal. Also.. to complicate matters, the dealer who he bought the car from is about 85 miles away from where my brother lives.

After not mentioning a single thing about the car purchase until after all the papers were signed and the check was cashed... My brother calls me this weekend and said his car was acting weird and the check-engine light was on and he was hoping I could help him. I could tell by his saddening, shakey tone of voice that he was very worried that he might be in a world of trouble. I told him to meet me at my sisters house so we could use her husbands garage to take a look at the car.

Here is what I found wrong with the car after performing an inspection, and he'd only had the car for 2 days at this point:

-Paint on body is badly swirled with plenty of chips, scratches, dents and small rust spots. The plastic on the headlights is also flaking and chipping away.
-Car was owned by a smoker at some point
-There are some missing a few insignificant interior panels for things such as covers to access panels for rear taillights, etc
-Car needs a new drivers side CV-joint within the near future
-Strut boots are torn and falling off on both front struts, and the struts will likely need to be replaced soon
-The dealer was supposed to have done the front brake pads and turned the rotors prior to my brothers picking up the vehicle... this was not done, as the pads have about 2 or 3mm left on them and the car makes a pretty bad reverb noise when braking, due to warped or uneven rotor surface. You can tell by looking at the rotors that they weren't turned.
-The dealer was supposed to have fixed the power antenna, which does not work at all. It was not repaired and still does not work and needs at least a new mast, if not the entire assembly.
-The Check engine light goes on and off intermittently
-The engine is hesitating sporadicly and bucking
-The engine is making a slight knocking noise at lower RPM's that sounds like it could possibly be a rod knock.
-My brother was in a parking lot the other day and as people were walking in front of him and the car was in neutral, the engine started revving uncontrolleably so that the RPM's were bouncing off the rev limiter without him pushing down on the accelerator. He shut the car off, started it back up and it did it again. After shutting it off a second time, it no longer did this. Naturally, the people walking in front of his car got very scared and started looking at my brother as if he was some kinda fuckin psycho and yelled at him.
-After opening the hood, I discovered a bungee cord underneath the airbox going between 2 components in the engine. I don't know why it was there, because it didn't seem to be holding anything that wasn't already stationary in place.
-There is a slight fade-imprint on the rear bumper where there was sticker-lettering from the previous owner. If you look closely at it, you can make out "Vicaro Motorsports". I wouldn't doubt if the previous owner was racing this car every week or had it on the bottle(NOS).

On top of all this, my brother picked the car up and the tank was on Empty.. Almost completely out of gas. The dealer supposedly also changed the timing belt and water-pump, per my brothers order... but I'm not sure if this was done or not, despite the fact that he left the old parts in the trunk as my brother asked(He may have just took a random used timing belt and waterpump and stuck it in the trunk). The car also has new tires on it as was also demanded by my brother prior to the sale.


I told him that he needs to make the dealer fix everything that is wrong with this car or preferably negate the sale. Supposedly the dealer offers a 30 day warranty on his used cars(as he told my brother), but his site says that he gives a 90 day warranty on all sales. Whether it's 30 or 90, he has to make sure this asshole pays to fix everything that is immediately wrong with the car.

Now.. to make matters worse... my brother tried to register the car today and the DMV would not allow him to do so. They said that there is a discrepency in the title with the previous owners or something of that nature. My brother didn't really understand the full nature of the problem but he was incredibly distraught and sounded like he was as close to being on the verge of tears as a straight male can be.

I'm going to try to see if I can get a contact for a good lawyer from my friends father who mostly specializes in local domestic cases.... so we can get this hideious abomination nullified.

Just thought I'd share with you guys/gals, because we are on a car enthusiasts message board.

Here's a link to the car(it actually looks decent in the pictures, surprisingly.. but not nearly this good in person):

http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dda/detail.jsp?result_car_id=196143312&dealership_view _name=was&car_id=196143312&dealer_id=54681720
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Ouch. Hope everything turns out better. I had some BIG problems with title when I purchased a vehicle a few years ago. It had been "cleaned". Throughout the process I learned quite a bit. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
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Dude, you need to get your brother out of that car absolutely as soon as possible! Even if the dealer stated that they would fix those problems, there seems to be MUCH more amiss with the car based off of your inspection, especially, if you can't even get it titled due to discrepencies - WTF???. This doesn't even take into account any potential safety issues hiding. If the dealer told him that there is a 30 or 90 day return warranty, take advantage of it!!!
The BBB (Better Business Bureau www.bbb.org ) states that ALL states have a lemon law, including the District of Columbia, however, I believe this is only for new vehicles.
Also, according to the BBB's report of Windham Auto Sales, looks like there is only one complaint listed as sales practice issues (BBB Definition: Sales Practice Issues - Claims of alleged sales presentations made in person or by telephone that contain misrepresentations of the product or service, high pressure sales practices, failure to disclose key conditions of the offer, and verbal representations not consistent with written contractual terms or agreements.), and there is no resolution due to the company not being able to be located, however, not sure how accurate that discription is. Here is the link: http://www.concord.bbb.org/commonrep...l?bid=13000664

Hopefully, your brother can return it for a full refund and has learned a valuable lesson in regards to buying a car...Good luck, and let us know how it turns out. I have a feeling that your brother got taken and won't be able to return the vehicle regardless of what the unscrupulous car "sales person" told him.
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If your brother has insurance, I say you guys take it out back and give it the Viking funeral.
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If your brother has insurance, I say you guys take it out back and give it the Viking funeral.
+1.........send the car off in a proper good bye....


how old is your bro??? hopefully he'll learn not to be so trusting after this...
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Wow, I just have to say how can anyone fall for such a thing these days. Didn't you pass on all your knowlege on life to your bro P-man? Well, I hope he learns his lesson and seek your counsel next time.
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that freakin sucks man

good luck with everything
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He's 22, but has lived a pretty sheltered life so he's a bit naive about some things. He's always been too trusting of people who are more than likely in a position where it is beneficial to them to take advantage of him.
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He's 22, but has lived a pretty sheltered life so he's a bit naive about some things. He's always been too trusting of people who are more than likely in a position where it is beneficial to them to take advantage of him.
Yea I understand, I used to be like that back in the days, so I don't fault him. I too was naive about life, friends and pussy. I learned early that even your so called best friend will dick you over for $100. I learned early that just becaues some hot beotch gives you pussy one night you'll get some more the next day or ever at all. Well, I hope it works out for your brother man, I really hate used car salesmen. Actually I hate car salesmen period, except for the guy who sold me my G, he was straight up with me and didn't BS about things.
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yea the guy that sold me my g was nice.

low pressure and lowered the price down a lot for the 04. like 5 gran off sticker haha.

used car salesmen suck though, when i went to a dealers lot to look at a g, too much pressure, no knowledge, and just want to make a sale
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how much did he buy the car for?
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how much did he buy the car for?
I think like $6600 or so. Which is probably about $2500 too much given the condition of the car.

I betcha a Mitsu dealer would sell this same car for about $6500... but then you get Mitsubishi dealer service on your warranty and a reputeable company backing up the sale instead of some cracker-jack, greaseball, side-of-the-road used car salesman.
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He's 22, but has lived a pretty sheltered life so he's a bit naive about some things. He's always been too trusting of people who are more than likely in a position where it is beneficial to them to take advantage of him.
I was naive for a long time too. It's part of growing up. Hope it works out. Hey, think of it this way. It's $6600 paid towards his street education. Live and learn.
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blow the car up and collect the insurance money
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