i wasn't trying to say you've cheated on your current wife. hell, i haven't cheated on my current girlfriend. i have, however, done it in the past. the president is a human. humans do instinctively human things.
A president should be obligated to behave in a manner befitting a president while in office, just as sports stars should also act responsibly as role models for children across the country.
yet we should critique every move that bush makes, correct?
at least the war in iraq will be finished. what about clinton and his issues in somalia?? explain to me what the hell that was all about?!?!? he put in our finest men into something we had no business being in the first place... then when we RETREAT for no damn reason, so what about the tens of american soldiers that died there??? their lives had no purpose?? they died fighting a cause that clinton then found to not be worth it???
Great point, Smoke (as usual). Can you imagine if Bush was president during the Somalia mess?!? The democrats would have called for his head. The same thing when Clinton sent troops to have Milosevic removed from power...he was like a kitten compared to Sadam.
when will the war be finished? wasn't it supposed to be done two years ago? can you call the president and let him know too? i don't know cnn's number, but i bet they'd love a date too. stfu. what do you mean great point? there isn't a country on the planet that we've once occupied that we don't have some sort of military presence in or in close proximity of. why do the people who support this guy REFUSE to acknowledge things that are obviously wrong with what's going on right now? bill clinton isn't president right now, nor is he one of the crooked senators that took money from that lobbyist. quit avoiding the issues at hand. the war was based on bullshit. plain and simple. 'trying to say otherwise would be lying to oneself. let's see...if i don't touch this hot stove, i won't burn my hand...if we don't go to war on bullshit, 2000+ americans won't die. hey smoke, i don't know if you have kids, but if your son was 18, would you want him over there? do you think bush, if he had a son, would send him over there? the worst part of it all is there are kids over there that won't come back, and none of it was really necessary. very few of those kids were driving g35s, graudating from usc, earning great salaries, etc. before they left. 'pretty shitty if you ask me, and i really can't see how you or i are safer today than we were five years ago because of it.
...and that's just one of the calamities of the bush administration. can you say katrina? oh yeah, that was all the governor and the mayor's fault. the president had nothing to do with that one either.
sure reagan was a saint. the united states has been so moral in the past. i mean with slavery, women's rights issues, native american issues, japanese internment camps, crack and the like, i'd never guess that one of our leaders would do something as dispicable as cheat on his wife multiple times, and i bet, even before the parties basically switched constituencies, that it was the one with the ideologies held currently by the liberal side of our government who was responsible for all of that. get real. republican doesn't equal right, and democrat doesn't equal wrong. there have been issues on which i've agreed 100% with what bush decided. this simply isn't one of them.
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A president should be obligated to behave in a manner befitting a president while in office, just as sports stars should also act responsibly as role models for children across the country.
tell me where the nukes are ck. i wanna know where saddam was stashing the chemicals. unless you can, bush wasn't "behaving in a manner befitting a president."
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Great point, Smoke (as usual). Can you imagine if Bush was president during the Somalia mess?!? The democrats would have called for his head. The same thing when Clinton sent troops to have Milosevic removed from power...he was like a kitten compared to Sadam.
yep, it that was bush, he probably would've been impeached.
...and that's just one of the calamities of the bush administration. can you say katrina? oh yeah, that was all the governor and the mayor's fault. the president had nothing to do with that one either.
Yeah it's all Bush's fault for what happened to Louisana and N.O.... Why didn't the other states hit have the same problems? Oh yeah, they realized the danger and got people out of the way and asked for help before the hurricanes even hit land. It's Bush's fault that all those busses were left parked in lots rather than used to transport the poor and others w/o their own transportation to safety.
Get over your Bush hating.
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Yeah it's all Bush's fault for what happened to Louisana and N.O.... Why didn't the other states hit have the same problems? Oh yeah, they realized the danger and got people out of the way and asked for help before the hurricanes even hit land. It's Bush's fault that all those busses were left parked in lots rather than used to transport the poor and others w/o their own transportation to safety.
Get over your Bush hating.
i guess he wanted bush to be driving the buses in and out of new orleans.
when will the war be finished? wasn't it supposed to be done two years ago?
No. The major offensive was finished back then, but nobody said that we would pull out at that time.
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why do the people who support this guy REFUSE to acknowledge things that are obviously wrong with what's going on right now? bill clinton isn't president right now, nor is he one of the crooked senators that took money from that lobbyist. quit avoiding the issues at hand. the war was based on bullshit. plain and simple. 'trying to say otherwise would be lying to oneself.
The lion's share of the intelligence that was used to conclude that there were WMDs and Sadam was a very powerful person was based on what the Clinton administration passed on to the Bush administration. Many people like to blame Bush for 911, but all of the planning for 911 was completed before Bush even took office. The Clinton administration cut back on defense and intelligence spending throughout the years that he was in office. This directly resulted in inadequate intelligence in the middle east to accurately predict what Sadam had up his sleeve. Don't forget, the intelligence gathered from France, Britain, Russia, the UN, etc. all concluded that Iraq had WMDs, and was working to develop a nuclear weapon. Sadam continually ignored the sanctions place upon him by the UN Security Council and would not allow UN inspectors to do their job. We waited for more than 6 months to give Sadam more chances to allow the UN access to areas where WMDs were thought to have been stored. Because of this, they had plenty of time to either hide any weapons or move them out of the country (probably biologic and chemical, not nuclear).
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let's see...if i don't touch this hot stove, i won't burn my hand...if we don't go to war on bullshit, 2000+ americans won't die. hey smoke, i don't know if you have kids, but if your son was 18, would you want him over there? do you think bush, if he had a son, would send him over there? the worst part of it all is there are kids over there that won't come back, and none of it was really necessary. very few of those kids were driving g35s, graudating from usc, earning great salaries, etc. before they left. 'pretty shitty if you ask me, and i really can't see how you or i are safer today than we were five years ago because of it.
Do you really think that Sadam would just go away and mind his own business, not continue murdering thousands of his own people, torturing his olympic athletes, and coordinating terrorist attacks against other countries? He is an evil dude and was a cancer in the middle east. Would you prefer that he would stay in power? Would you like him to coordinate attacks on American soil and possibly kill considerably more than 2000 people? Apparently your answer is yes to any or all of these questions. We were not safe with Sadam in power and never would be. We have not had a terrorist attack on American soil since the war started a few years ago. Following 911, this would have seemed highly unlikely, but the Bush administration put strategies in place to monitor potential terrorist activities and we are now safer.
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...and that's just one of the calamities of the bush administration. can you say katrina? oh yeah, that was all the governor and the mayor's fault. the president had nothing to do with that one either.
That was the fault of all of them.
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sure reagan was a saint. the united states has been so moral in the past. i mean with slavery, women's rights issues, native american issues, japanese internment camps, crack and the like, i'd never guess that one of our leaders would do something as dispicable as cheat on his wife multiple times, and i bet, even before the parties basically switched constituencies, that it was the one with the ideologies held currently by the liberal side of our government who was responsible for all of that. get real. republican doesn't equal right, and democrat doesn't equal wrong. there have been issues on which i've agreed 100% with what bush decided. this simply isn't one of them.
No country is perfect, and the U.S. was no exception. However, we continually strive to make this country free for everyone and have made incredible progress over the past 100 years. I never said that Republicans were always right and Democrats were always wrong. I already named some instances where I did not agree with the Bush administation and do not agree with the Republican congress.
I believe in small government, low taxes, personal responsibility, adequate security for our citizens, and a strong military to protect us. Bush succeeded in all of these except for small government IMHO. Clinton failed at all of them (except possibly low taxes, partially due to the Contract with America drafted by the Republican Congress of 1994).
you're putting down every "point" he tries to make. but you're the nice guy, dholly will rip his heart out.
LOL. Yeah, I'm glad dholly is on our side.
I'm wasting too much time on this damn site. I have many more hours of homework to do for tomorrow, plus I have to get ready for a meeting tomorrow morning. I'm going to have to get back to my studies. Hold down the fort!!
I'm wasting too much time on this damn site. I have many more hours of homework to do for tomorrow, plus I have to get ready for a meeting tomorrow morning. I'm going to have to get back to my studies. Hold down the fort!!
i dont need to, all these "arguments" are repeats of previous ones. it's boring if you ask me. so you've been wasting time speaking to your 6mt friends??
Damn, UT is fightin' off them folks all by himself, and he's doing a pretty good job of it too!
FDR, who did more in his 1st term vs. 2 terms of Bush II did more for the economy and moral uplift of this country than any Bush could ever do. 3 terms later and after his passing, he's remembered as one of the greatest presidents of our time and all the while he had a mistress on the side.
JFK pushed for a social change in a country that blatantly segregated and could not fully come to grasp the term, "all men are created equal,", moreover, he iconically took on Castro and the Soviets in the Cuban missile crisis and saved billions of people by avoiding total war. All this time, he had as many mistresses as Clinton did, if not more. Nobody knocked Jack when we knew he was bangin Marilyn.
And that's just the 21st century. I am not going to bring up the many other Presidents who've had a mistress while they were in office. It happens - democrat or republican - it happens the world over. Difference was, back then, it was a private matter and the media stayed out of it. Now, your political enemies slander you through the media. Presidential debates are worthless, it's about the slanderous "paid by supporters of fill-in-the-blank candidate" regardless of whether the issue is true or not.
But Gamma, it's about moral character in the oval office, it's about that he lied - pleeeeaaaase.
Currently, this administration has lied to us over and over again. If you say "example," well then you aren't reading enough. The white house is about leadership and about progress. I still remember that look on Bush Jr's face when he was told that the twin towers was hit and he just sait and waited there in the classroom. Hours later, the Bin Laden family, the only people allowed to fly, get on a plane and leave. I wonder who is winning this war on terror and if all the lives and money we are spending in Iraq is worth it. I wonder how the christian right has so much influence in our current government that the Republican party has seemed to lose it's identity: fiscally conservative (less taxes and less spending), and more power to the states. Instead, what we say is a more centralized governmnent with a religious influence and trillions of dollars spent with little observation.
I'm going to have to get back to my studies. Hold down the fort!!
