I can't believe nobody's started a topic on this yet.
What are your thoughts on this topic?
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Someone has to... since he got reelected, but I've yet to really come across anyone that likes him... except for this one really anal coworker of mine.
Other than that one coworker, it seems like everyone I know(both online and in person), regardless of where they're from, hates Bush and what he's done in his presidency. That's like a ratio of 150:1 against Bush.
I wonder if the reelection was rigged like his initial one was.
I don't really know too many 40+ year old people from other parts of the country(I live in the Northeast, which is mostly a democratic area), so I guess that could factor into it a lot... but still, you'd think SOMEBODY would like the guy out here.
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Law schmaaaaw... Bush don't need to follow no stinkin' laws.
I'm George Bush, bitch...
I seriously believe this! Clinton gets a bj to relieve some stress and it seems as though the whole world is going to collapse - "Ohhhh the Children, the Children, will someone please think about the Children!!!"
But get a leak that the Feds have clandestine license to eavesdrop on your conversations under the guise of National Security and the American Public remains indifferent...?
Nixon got away with this due to pardon from Ford, but I sincerely doubt that Bush and his cabinet will be brought up on any charges. I guess that's what happens when you have absolute power.
If you aren't asking questions, then you get what you deserve.
Someone has to... since he got reelected, but I've yet to really come across anyone that likes him... except for this one really anal coworker of mine.
Other than that one coworker, it seems like everyone I know(both online and in person), regardless of where they're from, hates Bush and what he's done in his presidency. That's like a ratio of 150:1 against Bush.
I wonder if the reelection was rigged like his initial one was.
I don't really know too many 40+ year old people from other parts of the country(I live in the Northeast, which is mostly a democratic area), so I guess that could factor into it a lot... but still, you'd think SOMEBODY would like the guy out here.
Rush Limbaugh has got to be preaching to somebody, and some of those listeners hang to every word that Limbaugh says. Also the Christian Coalition likes him and a lot of people in the bible belt states.
Now are you asking personally, do I know anybody that likes him? Answer: My Parents - both sets - voted for him twice. Bi-Partisan politics is Bullshit. My step-Dad is the one who really likes him. The other set votes for him strictly because they vote for the GOP, not because they like him all that much. That's just sad in my opinion.
From my impressions this is how it works, a suspected terrorist in Iraq or some other overseas country contacts a suspected terrorist in the US via phone, internet or some other electronic way. So the question is, where are the taps performed, here or overseas.
We as Americans have slowly been losing our rights and freedoms for many years now, why get upset now. Where was the concern in 1994, 1968 or even 1934?
We as Americans have slowly been losing our rights and freedoms for many years now, why get upset now. Where was the concern in 1994, 1968 or even 1934?
I think the uproar now is because this administration has done more to take away our rights than the past ten have.
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That was what I was initially led to believe was the case in this wiretapping thing...
But I was told by people I know that Bush's security folks are actually monitoring domestic calls as well(calls that stay within the country, supposedly).
I don't know all the facts behind this topic, but I find it a bit hard to believe that the government has much to gain from monitoring random domestic calls unless they already have reason to suspect a particular individual of terrorism in the first place(therefore making the call not-random).
Either he's going to hire 3 million people whose sole job is to monitor calls all day, or he's going to have to narrow it down to the point where only people suspected of having terrorist ties are monitored... which I assume is what they're currently doing.
With my limited knowledge of the subject I think people are just annoyed by the fact that a precedent is being set where government-sanctioned wiretapping is being performed and not deemed illegal.
Maybe someone else has some better facts and details about the extent of the wiretapping?
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The taps are nothing new, the lack of warrants is. It's not a matter of response time as with the conventional system the NSA can actually start the taps immediately and have to get the warrant approved by the courts within 24 hours.
Now that they've decided to skip the warrants altogether there is ZERO accountability. But then that is the theme for this administration isn't it?
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Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, or FISA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency must obtain search warrants from a special court before conducting electronic surveillance of people suspected to be terrorists or spies. Ms. Rice said the administration believed that it needed greater agility in investigating terrorism suspects than was possible through that process.
Under "extraordinary" circumstances, the government also can wait 72 hours after beginning wiretaps to get a warrant, but the administration did not seek to do that under the special program, which monitors the international communications of some people inside the United States.
The USA Patriot Act made it easier for the government to get warrants from the court for wiretaps and physical searches, changing the standards in some critical areas.
But the law is specific in banning any searches without warrants on Americans except in extraordinary circumstances, like within 15 days of a formal declaration of war, said David D. Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who specializes in national security law.
The Bush administration has not cited any of those exemptions for the domestic eavesdropping program. The White House and other defenders of the program maintain that the president has the authority to allow such searches in the interests of national security.
"If the president thinks the process under FISA was insufficient in the wake of 9/11, the appropriate response would have been to go to Congress and expand it, not to blatantly violate the law," Mr. Cole said in an interview
I understand why he did it but it's pretty much fooked up. I mean why not just shread the consitution a little to fit the need of the administration. Why not start a war for some BS? This administration is doing whatever they want and no one is doing anything about it.
King? Why would he take a demotion? Seems like he'd run for dictator-for-life or Despot or something.
Our rights have been trickling away for a long time, probably from the time the last framers of the constitution died until now. It didn't start in 2005, or even 1934, it started at least in 1864 and probably sooner.
Someone has to... since he got reelected, but I've yet to really come across anyone that likes him... except for this one really anal coworker of mine.
Not for nothin' dude, but you do live in Mass. It's not hard to believe there aren't a lot of Bush supporters in your world. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Bush apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think he's the demon that everyone tries to make him out to be.
As for Clinton, the issue was not that he got a bj, it was that he openly and directly lied to a federal grand jury. Bush, under the auspices of the the Patiot Act which was a legally enacted policy, is technically operating inside the law.
Whether or not you agree with the Patriot Act is a whole other thread unto itself, but it is still legal.
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Bush's Wiretapping Scheme
