offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
Watch some of the Eagles game, you will see that McNabb gets about 5 secs of protection and still throw the ball at the recievers feet, or to a cornerback.
As with my response to msb's statements, I'd need to see the play. There's a lot of things that might not be getting recognized. Maybe it's true maybe not, I'd have to chart it and see what the tendencies are.
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offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
McNabb's ability to scramble and bootleg was what made him a threat. Defenses use to keep a spy on McNabb for fear of him scrambling for 20+ yds. Once McNabb decided to become more of a pocket passer, defenses no longer need to spy on him and use that extra guy to blitz or double one of the WR. When we needed big plays from McNabb, it usually came in terms of him running to get the first down. He got too bulky now and gets tired too easily, so he doesn't scramble as much.
A wise man would say, "Football flies faster than man runs." As a last option, yes it's a threat, but depending on it like Michael Vick does it an abnormality and we all know Vick is abnormal. Much the same could be said of Steve Young.......his feet were too happy, but once he started to settle down his performances took off. Same offense too.
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offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays
Watch McNabb run the hurry up offense. He has no clue what to do.
I agree he's not the greatest in the hurry up, but again I need to watch the plays since there might be adjustments he's trying to make that other's aren't thinking about.
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My thoughts on the O-line.
The center is responsible for making blocking adjustments. If your QB doesn't have time it's either because he's not making the right calls or there are serious problems with the rest of the line.
he's not making the right calls
Please re-read......the center is not making the right calls. The center is responsible for pass protection/blocking. Anyone McNabb is pointing out is being done to help his center, McNabb should not be calling the pass protection schemes.
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Want to buy time for the QB, why not run roll outs, or protected boot legs? It will help to keep the D-line from pinning their ears back and pass rushing all the time.
They can't have him roll out n bootleg because his injury prevents him from running.
BS, they can call a 5 yard roll out if they wanted to.
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The O-line needs to be effective and allow a running game. Denver consistently produces 1,000 yard rushes from other than top draft picks at RB. They in fact might have two 1,000 yard rushes on the team this year...........all with the smallest line in the league.
It's hard to run the ball when we're usually trailing after the first quarter and is playing catch up.
I agree, but don't blame that on the QB, blame the defense or special teams for digging that grave. If you still choose to blame the offense, then blame them for not being more run commited in the first quarter. A perfect analogy is a boxer going to the body early in the fight, while he might lose the early rounds it pays dividends later in the fight when this has a toll on you opponent. In the case of football this means that the D-line and defense are going to get manhandled in the second half and the running game and overall offense will start to flourish later in the 3rd quarter and 4th quarter.
The philosophy of pass to get ahead does not work. It didn't work for Air Coryell, the Greatest Show on Turf, the Oilers (i.e. greatest comeback by the Bills in the history of the NFL playoffs), and the University of Hawaii's run-n-shoot.
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Jordan was worse than both when he first came out of college. The difference is that Jordan grew up. He made sacrifices he needed to in order to get his team to be the best it could be.
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first and formost... im dizzy trying to reply to this. LOL
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now i'm aggrevated....
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offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
The O-line needs to give your QB time to throw to receivers.
please exlpain to me what that has to do with wide open receivers that he CONSISTENTLY threw at their feet to???????????
Without seeing the play and coverage I cannot comment. It is sometimes the best to throw a ball at your receiver's feet so that it doesn't get picked or get your receiver killed. Throws are made routinely behind receivers in crossing patterns so they don't get led into the killer hit. Maybe you're right, but again I'd have to see the play and see if he's throwing under people too (under the arms of a D-line man who is not getting penetration so he is jumping in an effort to deflect passes as he is taught to do).
again GZ --- WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS!!!!!!! WIDE OPEN!!!!!
any Philly fan knows that he fooked up OVER and OVER --- soooo bad for an NFL QB and so SAD.
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offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
There is a difference between scrambling and running for your life. In any case if they reduced the pressure on McNabb he wouldn't have to scramble so much and as such would be far less susceptible to injury.
yes the off. line has a big effect on succesfull scrambling. but he just can;t do it well anymore. besides the injury. ooo and he'll be better after the surgery, right? wrong.
He could definitely be slowing down and it's really up in the air if he'll be better after the surgery, only time will tell. However I am glad that you agree with me that your original assessment that the O-line has no bearing on scrambling was not correct.
come on, back to what i originally said, he HIMSELF. i am only talking about McNabb in all of this. if he "your boy" why keep trying to defend him? LOL
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offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays You are saying that McNabb doesn't know the plays? I'm sure Donovan knows the plays better than TO since he's been running the offense for several years. I'm sure you mean that TO and Donovan aren't seeing the coverage the same and aren't making the same adjustments. Might be because these two guys never talk to each other, or that TO wasn't in training camp because he was faking an injury to get more money out of a contract that he jumped at and willingly agreed to.
OK this has NOTHING to do with TO - so take him out of it. when Hank Fraley got hurt -- it was said by the team that it would be a big loss because he knew the offense the best, even better than mcnabb.
it was later said that even McMahon and Detmer understand the offense better than McNabb.
if you are an eagles fan and follow them... this would make sense.
TO??? he has nothing to do with McNabb knowing plays. TO got open... McNabb failed to find him AND many others wide open time AFTER time. and many times when he did... he couldn't hit them.
Well now you have your wish. Since all the healthy backups are better than the injured McNabb they should do better than him. Time will tell who is right on this. Unfortunately for you I don't think the backups will do better, they are backups for a reason don't expect another Kurt Warner miracle.
LOL - well mcmahon cannot do much worse. offensively last game... he had a more solid game than most games McNabb played this year. except 2-3. not bad, for a first start in years.
people don't come from nowhere. they need a chance to show what they have and to grow. maybe i'm crazy.. but i see potential with mcmahon. and his first game was promising.. but of course it was only one game. time will tell...
but mcnabb... i'm tired of watching the downfall.
on the other hand... mcnabb may have the surgery and come back strong like the old mcnabb i miss. that would be great! i'm just not betting on it... maybe if his mom stops feeding him the chunky LOL
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offensive line has no effect on not being able to change plays when needed
Are you saying that McNabb never audibles at the line? I find that hard to believe in today's NFL that any QB doesn't audible at some point in time.
NO I NEVER SAID HE NEVER AUDIBLES. where did i say that?
he does, but not nearly enough.
"watch the shovel pass"
enough said....
Again we shall see how the healthy backups do. Since they know the offense better than McNabb they will audible out of most of the trouble.
Damn man only one year and TO has already sent this francise to the shits...........if I could only see him in a Cowboys or Patriots uniform I could die happy.
STOP with the TO!!! nothing to do with TO!! keep him out of it!!!
hahahahaah you're just trying to aggrevate me arent you?
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AI is definitely the man! One of my favorite jerseys is my AI jersey.
oh come on hexx, AI is a piece of crap!!!!
he would take 95% of players one on one
like who? he cant defend for SHIT. and he cant shoot for SHIT either.
he can break a few ankles but thats about it. overrated
you guys are crazy, AI is one of the best defensive guards (he constantly rank among the top in steals every year), and his PG skills are improving each year. He's 4th on the assist list, and 2nd in scoring(taking 4.5 less shots than Kobe per game).
The only reason why his FG% isn't higher is because he gets fouled like 10 times a game everytime he drives to the basket. He may have a bad rap, but he is the man. If only McNabb can play with as much heart as AI.
You got it smoke! The ONLY guy more clutch than AI is Kobe Bryant. With the game on the line I'll take AI over everyone on your list. And his height is another reason why he is the man. He out plays dudes twice his size with his quickness and heart!
+1,
AI gets knock down a dozen times during a game, and gets up after each one. For his size and the amount of hits he gets, he is one of the most durable and consistent player in the NBA. Name someone else who gets fouled as much as he does and avoid much injuries.
As with my response to msb's statements, I'd need to see the play.
You don't watch the Eagles play every week, most the glimpses you get on McNabb are just the Highlight clips and game summary. Of course they are not going to show you a clip of McNabb and all his bad throws.
His injury has been bothering all season long and caused him to make alot of ugly throws. All the passes that were overthrown and underthrown to wide open receivers were made with little or no pressure. His injury has also limited his mobility, so no, they cannot have him roll out 5 yards.
Some of the interceptions he throws are also thrown directly towards the defender. When the pressure is on, he panicks. I'm not saying he's be bad QB, he just stunk up the place after his injury and should've been responsible enough to pull himself out of the game. And if not him, Reid should've pulled him out.
You are saying that McNabb doesn't know the plays? I'm sure Donovan knows the plays better than TO since he's been running the offense for several years. I'm sure you mean that TO and Donovan aren't seeing the coverage the same and aren't making the same adjustments. Might be because these two guys never talk to each other, or that TO wasn't in training camp because he was faking an injury 
to get more money out of a contract that he jumped at and willingly agreed to.
