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[msb3079]

Originally Posted by uhohNumber2brb

He should've gotten his surgery back in week 2 where the birds could still salvage the season, but instead, his greedy ass had to try and prove that he is fighter and failed miserably.

EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT BY OFF-FIELD DECISIONS!! him and reid are MORONS

[msb3079]

Originally Posted by Hexxum001

msb you must really be losing your mind! Did you say that you have confidence in McMahon? You determined he is a leader type from 1 game? There is a reason why he was #3 on the depth chart before McNabb went out. Don't forget that McMahon was given the job in Detroit and had every opportunity to succeed and make his mark with the Lions and failed miserably. I'm not saying that he hasn't matured and can't be a quality starter in the NFL but to say you would rather have him over McMahon is ridiculous. McNabb is a Pro Bowl QB and I would take a healthy McNabb over most QB's in the league any day.

ok, i'll try again...
number one. McMahon is now number 2... especially after how he played yesterday. detmer CANNOT do the shit that he did.
McMahon had the job in Detroit... but was always working from behind. he never got to play "his" game. and what receivers and team was he playing for? the lions... yeah.
i said that he is a leader "type" and my initial impressions seem that way. its already been said by many that he knows the offense better than mcnabb (how crazy is that) and has the comon sense to change plays as he sees fit. mcnabb on the otehr hand.... again, "shovel pass" come on...
hopefully mcnabbs surgery goes well and he returns to be the mcnabb i used to love. but honestly at this point. id rather see mcmahon continue to grow and mcnabbs surgery go bad.
yeah i said that. if mcnabb cannot scramble like he used to -- he is not the "mcnabb" you all know.

ps. did you see some of those passes mcmahon had? did you see him break 4 tackles and run 12 yards? mcnabb cannot do that anymore....

[jl9618]

I guess I have a different view of what's going on down there in Philly-

There are windows of opportunity in the NFL that are not open very long. Last year the Eagles had *almost* enough to bring home the big one. They were still in a period of opportunity with the core of the team remaining together. McNabb getting season ending surgery before the season was even under way instead of playing through a manageable injury seemed to be counterproductive to taking advantage of that window.

Obviously a lot has happened since the beginning of the year including the loss of two 1st string receivers (TO and Pinkston??) in a primarily pass oriented offense. One could argue the Eagles should bring back TO but their problems are bigger than that I think. Why would the Eagles start a third string QB over the 2nd string. The reason is mobility as you mentioned earlier. Why is mobility so important? Because the Eagles have no rushing offense and the O-Line is not protecting the QB sufficiently. No team in the history of the NFL has been successful with such a one dimensional attack. They are passing 80% of the time which eveyone is wise to.

McMahon, McNabb, Detmer, etc. I don't care who you have at quarterback, if you don't have time to throw the ball in passing offense, you will not get different results. The culprit in Philly is the lack of a running game and and the O-Line.

[msb3079]

the defense changed too much.

they ran fine vs. dallas. unfortunately they were always playing catch up this year and reid couldn't call the plays he wanted (this is what he claims)

too many changes.... mcnabb sucked too much.

but TO is the last excuse - i'm tired of hearing that.

[jl9618]

Yeah the Dfense has been a problem compare to years past. Who did you guys lose and who did you pick up???

[GZire]

Improve Philly's O-Line and you guys will find out that McNabb is far from the downswing of his career.

[msb3079]

Originally Posted by GZire

Improve Philly's O-Line and you guys will find out that McNabb is far from the downswing of his career.

offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays
offensive line has no effect on not being able to change plays when needed

...

[uhohNumber2brb]

McNabb's career is at a plateau, he is not going to get any better than he is, unless he study his plays. He does not take losing too seriously.

Every time Payton Manning steps of the field, he is constantly talking to his receivers about what plays went wrong and what was right. Then he study the game film from the previous posession to see how the defenses are playing him. When Manning steps up to the line, he calls multiple audibles prior to the snap.

McNabb has no QB smarts, he is a better physically built QB than Manning, but is incapable of adjusting to the defense.

[Hexxum001]

I can't believe all of the McNabb bashing that I am hearing from Eagles fans! As a Cowboys fan, I hope he never comes back so that we can sweep your asses every year. Be careful what you wish for Eagles fans because if you have to really on Mike McMahon to lead your team . . . . .

[partyman66]

Originally Posted by msb3079

offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays
offensive line has no effect on not being able to change plays when needed

...

Having a bad offensive line affects the entire offense... on every conceivable level by destroying the confidence of your players.

A QB who has been hit as he throws on nearly every play for the entire game is going to be rattled and jumpy... so when it comes time to hit his open WR, he's going to be expecting to get blindsided as he delivers or shortly after. Having a bad offensive line affects the QB's ability to scramble... because he can't scramble if 3 down linemen are pursuing him... and there's a good chance that if the line was good in the first place, he might not even be hurt at all.

Look at Denver. That team functions perfectly every year on offense regardless of who their RB/QB/WR's are..... and they always have a great OL and a good system.

[uhohNumber2brb]

Originally Posted by Hexxum001

I can't believe all of the McNabb bashing that I am hearing from Eagles fans! As a Cowboys fan, I hope he never comes back so that we can sweep your asses every year. Be careful what you wish for Eagles fans because if you have to really on Mike McMahon to lead your team . . . . .

We didnt want to lose to Indy in the Super Bowl this year, so we took a little vacation so that the other basement teams from the NFC East can have a break from losing for the past 5 years.

Your O-line can't protect Bledsoe forever, he's bound to return to his 6 sacks, 1 td, 3 int days.

[msb3079]

Originally Posted by partyman66

Having a bad offensive line affects the entire offense... on every conceivable level by destroying the confidence of your players.

yes. but his problems are HIS problems. funny how only the philly people understand...

[jl9618]

Originally Posted by msb3079

offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays
offensive line has no effect on not being able to change plays when needed

...

Are you serious??? Watch the first half of the Broncos/Philly game again. If you don't have time to physically throw the ball it doesn't matter how open the recievers are. Same goes for scrambling. The lack of a rushing attack allows for more gambles on defense and many different looks and shifting presnap.

I think it is unfair to compare P. Manning to anyone. He is in a league of his own. Isn't he the only quarterback in the league who does all his own playcalling????

[GZire]

Originally Posted by partyman66

Having a bad offensive line affects the entire offense... on every conceivable level by destroying the confidence of your players.

A QB who has been hit as he throws on nearly every play for the entire game is going to be rattled and jumpy... so when it comes time to hit his open WR, he's going to be expecting to get blindsided as he delivers or shortly after. Having a bad offensive line affects the QB's ability to scramble... because he can't scramble if 3 down linemen are pursuing him... and there's a good chance that if the line was good in the first place, he might not even be hurt at all.

Look at Denver. That team functions perfectly every year on offense regardless of who their RB/QB/WR's are..... and they always have a great OL and a good system.

+1 Well put p-man.

offensive line has no effect on throwing to wide open receivers.
The O-line needs to give your QB time to throw to receivers.

offensive line has no effect on no longer being able to scramble.
There is a difference between scrambling and running for your life. In any case if they reduced the pressure on McNabb he wouldn't have to scramble so much and as such would be far less susceptible to injury.

offensive line has no effect on not knowing your plays
You are saying that McNabb doesn't know the plays? I'm sure Donovan knows the plays better than TO since he's been running the offense for several years. I'm sure you mean that TO and Donovan aren't seeing the coverage the same and aren't making the same adjustments. Might be because these two guys never talk to each other, or that TO wasn't in training camp because he was faking an injury to get more money out of a contract that he jumped at and willingly agreed to.

offensive line has no effect on not being able to change plays when needed
Are you saying that McNabb never audibles at the line? I find that hard to believe in today's NFL that any QB doesn't audible at some point in time.



My thoughts on the O-line.
The center is responsible for making blocking adjustments. If your QB doesn't have time it's either because he's not making the right calls or there are serious problems with the rest of the line.

Want to buy time for the QB, why not run roll outs, or protected boot legs? It will help to keep the D-line from pinning their ears back and pass rushing all the time.

The O-line needs to be effective and allow a running game. Denver consistently produces 1,000 yard rushes from other than top draft picks at RB. They in fact might have two 1,000 yard rushes on the team this year...........all with the smallest line in the league.

[msb3079]

ok offensive line has not been "perfect" part of the SEVERAL reasons why the eagles ar 4-6

BUT

that is definately NOT why McNabb has had a horrible year. i'm tired of people making excuses for him:

- he's injured
- OL did bad this year
- TO fiasco

f it all.

mcnabb plain SUCKED this year. period.