Thank you, GZire, for stating what should be obvious. Driving drunk is just plain stupid, you're playing Russian Roulette with innocent people.
.11 means nothing to me. its a number. i know i was fine.
It is just that, an arbitrary number. It happens to have science behind it to show the impact of that level of alcohol in a human's bloodstream, but there is no way to quanitify it in the real world without some sort of gadget. Our implicit agreement to follow the rules of the road, given when we earned our driver's licence, means we'll accept and understand this number.
To be quite honest, I don't know my limit either. I figure I have less than two "average" beers before I go over 0.08, so if I'm going to drive I wait an hour per beer/drink over that limit before doing so. I'm a little guy, 145lbs, the alcohol has a much bigger impact on me than the "average" person.
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it doenst tell you the AC. a lot of labels even dont. that should be a law (is it?) HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW IS MY POINT.
I'm not sure, but I remember from Driver's Ed that a 150lb person can drink two beers in an hour and blow less than (or just about) 0.08. Figure for 150lbs, each average drink is 0.04. So far as labelling, this is a very good question. Do we need a (another?) law for this?
I think partyman has it right - if you're planning on going out drinking, consider some method to determine if you're safe to drive. Or, take the safe route, get a cab.
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i also don't wanna hear "don't drink at all" thats BS. if i wanna take my GF out and have a glass of wine... well fuck me if i can't. "land of the free" MY ASS
The groups that say "don't drink" are ridiculous radical groups that are finding themselves squeezed between a dropping DUI rate and falling funding. They are just trying to get more money from those who are trying to impart some form of "morality" on the masses with off-base statements and aims.
Frankly, aside from a radical few, most people don't care what other people do so long as it doesn't impact them personally. Do what one will, just don't turn one's decisions into risk for the rest of us.
If I drove home on 4 beers in 4 hours, I'd be wasted
If I had like 2-3 beers and I came down from my buzz and I drove a long way home late at night, I'd probably fall asleep at the wheel which might be worse than the above
If you buy one of these things, you need to also keep i mind that they aren't 100% accurate, and they are just an approximation tool to give you a ballpark idea of how drunk you are. They can also be thrown off if you take a gulp of an alcoholic beverage and then take the breathalyzer test very shortly after that... because you still have amounts of the alcohol in your mouth and on your breath that skew the test results.
but see thats a problem. i could blow in it and it could read .07
i could get pulled over and theirs could read .09 then i'm fucked.
the whole thing is bullshit.
i mean if you are obviously drunk then yes. but i'm talking about .08 here. that is nothing. i doubt a normal person can tell the difference between .07 to .10 and nothing out there can besides their shitty ass machines which has the final say.
i'm still convinced it's about money. yes, poeple have comkplained and something had to be done... but this is a huge financial oppotunity for the government and for attorneys (which funny enough work side by side)
don't even get me started on speeding. if they really cared about lives there are much better solutions than playing these fucking games of cops deciding on whoe they want to ticket and who not.
i guess i jus have a problem when municipalities finances are based on people making mistakes. what would happen if suddenly noone sped? how would they make up for the lost money? it's a financial scam.. i'm sure of it.
i also love when a trooper sits at a speed trap but refuses to help someone broken down in clear view. i see it all the time, even this weekend. nothing gets me madder than that. a few months ago i actually called 911 about it.. they said "thats wrong.. we'll take care of it." doubt they did. but hopefully that trooper was asked wtf he was thinking.
oo man i'm getting more and more angry.... i've complained enough for now.
but see thats a problem. i could blow in it and it could read .07
i could get pulled over and theirs could read .09 then i'm fucked.
the whole thing is bullshit.
i mean if you are obviously drunk then yes. but i'm talking about .08 here. that is nothing. i doubt a normal person can tell the difference between .07 to .10 and nothing out there can besides their shitty ass machines which has the final say.
i'm still convinced it's about money. yes, poeple have comkplained and something had to be done... but this is a huge financial oppotunity for the government and for attorneys (which funny enough work side by side)
A line has to be drawn somewhere as to what's legally drunk and what's not. The .08 number is what it is, and I'm sure the legal limit will continue to get lower and lower as time goes on.
The reason I said it's not 100% accurate is that you shouldn't rely on it's accuracy to .01 in order to save your ass from a DUI conviction. What we(my friends and I) usually do is blow into the thing a few times and kinda get a general idea what it's saying for a reading, then maybe round down by .02(just to be safe).
We've had a few times before where our designated driver had just a tiny bit too much to drink, and nobody else in our car was OK to drive... so we just chilled for an hour or so and went to get some food off of street vendors and late-night cafe's, then came back and checked the tester to see how we were.. and it said the driver was well below the limit at that point... so we drove home.
I'm telling you man... definitely get one of these testers, it might really open your eyes and it can't hurt unless you put too much faith in its accuracy or completely fail to use common sense. 20 Bucks is a worthwhile investment to buy one of these things for anyone who might be in a situation involving drinking and driving.
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GP, honestly the guy shouldn't be an a-hole and make you feel responsible for this. He chose to drive and he chose to speed and he got caught. I understand if he was upset that his friends and you left but at the same time what were ya supposed to do? Stay the night somewhere when ya could come back in the morning? Well, IMO it's not your fault, he chose to drive so he should take responsibility.
On the other topic of DUI's, I drank 2 beers, Hineys, in one hour. I was driving my friend back home to VA and I guess I was speeding and my friend was like, 'Hey slow down there are a lot of cops here. ' I'm like, 'Fook the cops, they ain't got shit on me.' As soon as I said that I saw lights behind me. FOOK, turn the damn rap music down! So I get pulled over and the cop smells alcohol on my breath and asks me how much I drank. I tell him only 2 because that was the truth. Then he's like, 'I've been doing this a long time and you smell like you had more than that, get out of the car.' Geez, what a polite piggy Anyways, he gives me the field test and I pass all of them. Then he makes me do the breathalizer. I blew a 0.029, HAH! Well he tells me that he used to be a cop in the Air Force and usually he loves to give officers tickets but he let me go without a speeding ticket. :P So I don't know where you get 0.04 per drink but it wasn't the case with me.
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I find it a bit weird that you weren't the designated driver and this guy drives drunk on the road at night while you were asleep in the car, speeding nonetheless... and he has the gall to blame you for the situation, especially considering that you were drunk and probably not in any state to be expected to intelligibly control the situation?
The guy is an adult, makes a decision to drive drunk and speed at the same time... and endanger your life and your friends lives, and somehow you are at fault for this?
Am I missing part of the story?... if anything, you should be mad at him, not him at you.
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Maybe the dude got mad b/c he didn't get any that night. I know if I spent all night "pampering" a chick, only for her to fall asleep on me, I be a lil upset too.
On the other topic of DUI's, I drank 2 beers, Hineys, in one hour. I was driving my friend back home to VA and I guess I was speeding and my friend was like, 'Hey slow down there are a lot of cops here. ' I'm like, 'Fook the cops, they ain't got shit on me.' As soon as I said that I saw lights behind me. FOOK, turn the damn rap music down! So I get pulled over and the cop smells alcohol on my breath and asks me how much I drank. I tell him only 2 because that was the truth. Then he's like, 'I've been doing this a long time and you smell like you had more than that, get out of the car.' Geez, what a polite piggy Anyways, he gives me the field test and I pass all of them. Then he makes me do the breathalizer. I blew a 0.029, HAH! Well he tells me that he used to be a cop in the Air Force and usually he loves to give officers tickets but he let me go without a speeding ticket. :P So I don't know where you get 0.04 per drink but it wasn't the case with me.
first of all... you always tell the best stories...
but as far as the BAC question... the average beer is about 3.5% but that Lancaster Strawberry Wheat beer (which was amaziong) was closer to 8%, the Victory shit was around 7% so you're talking double sometimes triple the alcohol %. so instead of 4 beers i really had 7ish...
unfortunately when you are at the bar, you have no idea what the % is.
ps- i love how the pig in your storie made assumptions as well, but proven wrong, then still had to throw in his comment. i fucking hate power trips. ooo and i love how i've heard over 10 cops joke how they drive drunk often. FUCK THEM
WOW...you guys definitely provide me with more information than the internet did on the searches I tried. Thank you.
Everything is cool now. And let me clarify a few things. My friend that got arrested... the driver, he didn't blame. Never did- he took the full responsiblity for his actions. If anything, his first concern was me. I kinda woke up when he got pulled over ...instead of worrying about being pulled over, he told me kindly to go back to sleep! Of I couldn't.
But he was how MSB described his situation...he was "sober"...but his BAC was .13- which is definitely over the limit. I spend the whole sat worrying but then he got released. The cops were being cool about it. When they decided to arrest him, he asked them for 2 favors, one was to take care of me and the 2nd to not tow his car; both of which they went out of their way to do.
And I will not defend what he did...and he has taken responsiblity for what he did. He said he had speeded to cut someone who cut him off...admit that it was stupid and he deserved what he got. He took it pretty well... accepted it and dealt with it- laughed at me for crying about it. But I was just upset because I kept feeling like I could of prevent it if I wasn't asleep or something.
And the one that yelled at me and blamed me. He got a mouthful the next day when I was "better" That guy was a friend of my friend. My friend also told him to chill out and that I had nothing to do with it. I'm extremely happy right now cuz all of this "nightmare" is over.
That was the only thorn in my vacation. When he finally got release, I felt like a burden was lifted off my heart. Prior to that I just couldn't think of continuing my vacation when my friend was still in jail...but after that I was fine and today is my last day here but I'm contend- I saw some of the most beautiful places I've ever seen but I'll save that for a different thread.
Msb, down here they give you 24 hours before they come and tow. I would've looked into filing a claim for towing charges.
mine was on a highway... but come to think of it... they leave abandoned cars. plus my friend could have gotten there faster than the f'ing tow truck. plus they wouldnt release it that night. i FREAKED on the tow place. bc the cops said i could have it, but the dumbass was too lazy to go to the lot. (well it was early - 4 am) haha
Anyways, he gives me the field test and I pass all of them. Then he makes me do the breathalizer. I blew a 0.029, HAH! Well he tells me that he used to be a cop in the Air Force and usually he loves to give officers tickets but he let me go without a speeding ticket. :P So I don't know where you get 0.04 per drink but it wasn't the case with me.
