Bush can really pick em'

[Gardiner]

What we need is a Libertarian president, don't over tax the hardworking and give perks to those that don't work.

[gammawolf]

Originally Posted by Gardiner

What we need is a Libertarian president, don't over tax the hardworking and give perks to those that don't work.

+10000

I'll be damned, someone else who thinks like me.

[ckforensic]

Originally Posted by Kalmairn

Frankly, I'd rather have a socialist-leaning president than a religion-leaning president. The idea of being held to the "morals" of the religous right scares me much, MUCH more than the risks associated to a socialist-leaning president.

I hate to scare you guys, but this country was founded upon religious convictions, specifically christianity. 42 out of 43 presidents had some specific religious affiliation and the other one likely still believed in God (see list below). Everything from "In God We Trust" on our currency to "God Bless America" shows how the country's founders and citizens believe in God. I can't stand the far-right religious freaks either, but you cannot judge all religious people on the merits of a few wackos. Everything taken to extremes is bad, whether it be religion, liberalism, conservatism, atheism, or anything else for that matter. To say that religion is worse than socialism is totally absurd. The soviet union was based on socialism and the United States was founded on religion...choose which one you would prefer...

President Name- Religion
1 George Washington- Episcopalian
2 John Adams- Unitarian
3 Thomas Jefferson- raised Episcopalian, later in life, belonged to no specific religion...held many Christian, Deist and Unitarian beliefs
4 James Madison- Episcopalian
5 James Monroe- Episcopalian
6 John Quincy Adams- Unitarian
7 Andrew Jackson- Presbyterian
8 Martin Van Buren- Dutch Reformed
9 William Henry Harrison- Episcopalian
10 John Tyler- Episcopalian/Deist
11 James Knox Polk- Presbyterian/Methodist
12 Zachary Taylor- Episcopalian
13 Millard Fillmore- Unitarian
14 Franklin Pierce- Episcopalian
15 James Buchanan- Presbyterian
16 Abraham Lincoln- raised Baptist; later no specific denomination
17 Andrew Johnson- no specific denomination
18 Ulysses S Grant- Presbyterian; Methodist *
19 Rutherford B. Hayes- Methodist
20 James A. Garfield- Disciples of Christ
21 Chester A. Arthur- Episcopalian
22 Grover Cleveland- Presbyterian
23 Benjamin Harrison- Presbyterian
24 Grover Cleveland- Presbyterian
25 William McKinley- Methodist
26 Theodore Roosevelt- Dutch Reformed; Episcopalian
27 William Howard- Taft Unitarian
28 Woodrow Wilson- Presbyterian
29 Warren G. Harding- Baptist
30 Calvin Coolidge- Congregationalist
31 Herbert Hoover- Quaker
32 Franklin Delano Roosevelt- Episcopalian
33 Harry S. Truman- Baptist
34 Dwight D. Eisenhower- Jehovah's Witnesses; Presbyterian
35 John F. Kennedy- Catholic
36 Lyndon Baines Johnson- Disciples of Christ
37 Richard M. Nixon- Quaker
38 Gerald Ford- Episcopalian
39 Jimmy Carter- Baptist (former Southern Baptist)
40 Ronald Reagan- Disciples of Christ; Presbyterian
41 George H. W. Bush- Episcopalian
42 William Jefferson Clinton- Baptist
43 George W. Bush- Methodist (former Episcopalian)

[Dizz]

Originally Posted by gammawolf

That's arguable, but are your turds clever enough to be elected President of the United States twice?

You're right.
With that said, my morning turds are smarter than the idiots that voted for that cocksucker, oops... coke snorter.

[GZire]

Originally Posted by Dizz

You're right.
With that said, my morning turds are smarter than the idiots that voted for that cocksucker, oops... coke snorter.

Bush loves you Dizz.

[Dizz]

Only when I'm strapped with blow.

[uhohNumber2brb]

I think religion is just an acepted version of a cult.

[Gardiner]

Originally Posted by uhohNumber2brb

I think religion is just an acepted version of a cult.

It is not really a cult, it is a form of control. Think of this, you must obey the rules, there is a guy that is watching you 24 hours a day. This guy that is watching you cannot be seen by you. If you disobey the rules you will be punished for ever. If you obey the rules your time after you die will be wonderful.

[Lardoggy]

I was recently watching some news show that was discussing the liklihood of Hillary getting the next Demo nomination. The speculation was that the Repubs might respond with Condeleeza Rice in order to retain some of the female vote! Can you imagine that election campaign?????

As an aside, I saw Jesse Ventura speak today and that guy has some VERY strong views on politics, and he absolutely abhors both parties and the two party system (proclaiming how lucky we are in the US to get to choose from 2 presidential candidates....communist countries only get one to choose from 1!!)

[gammawolf]

As an aside, I saw Jesse Ventura speak today and that guy has some VERY strong views on politics, and he absolutely abhors both parties and the two party system (proclaiming how lucky we are in the US to get to choose from 2 presidential candidates....communist countries only get one to choose from 1!!)

I don't understand, he abhors the 2 parties while favoring a 2 party system because it gives us choice as opposed to a communist system?

I'm not big on this 2 party system either. It's seems that more often than not, there really is no difference in which candidate you choose from. Same bullshit promises over and over again. Always the same issues they fight for: education, stronger economy, more jobs, fill in the blank after that.

Bush is different because he openly throws a deity and religious beliefs into the mix.

Vote Libertarian!

[gammawolf]

Originally Posted by ckforensic

I hate to scare you guys, but this country was founded upon religious convictions, specifically christianity. 42 out of 43 presidents had some specific religious affiliation and the other one likely still believed in God (see list below). Everything from "In God We Trust" on our currency to "God Bless America" shows how the country's founders and citizens believe in God. I can't stand the far-right religious freaks either, but you cannot judge all religious people on the merits of a few wackos. Everything taken to extremes is bad, whether it be religion, liberalism, conservatism, atheism, or anything else for that matter. To say that religion is worse than socialism is totally absurd. The soviet union was based on socialism and the United States was founded on religion...choose which one you would prefer...

I'd prefer a strict adherence to the Separation of Church and State as written in our constitution. The founders of this country and this experiment wanted a new government that allowed you to practice whatever religion you wanted and to make certain that government and religion stayed on seperate paths. Sure I'm familiar with the nomenclature of the dollar bills and the pledge of allegiance (which was recently put in question), but I guarantee you, Thomas Jefferson wouldn't of cared for the religious Xian zealots that have overwhelmed our government.

Moreover, just because a President is affiliated with a Xian religion doesn't make his character better than anyone else nor should it matter what religion he belongs too. I really could care less if the President belonged to a Voodoo, Jewish, Buddhist, or Muslim sect as long as he doesn't abuse his powers, adheres to the constitution, and has the nation's welfare and safety as his absolute priority. Religion does not equate decency.

[ryno]

Originally Posted by gammawolf

I don't understand, he abhors the 2 parties while favoring a 2 party system because it gives us choice as opposed to a communist system?

I imagine he was being sarcastic. Democracy here is only better than communism because we get one other person out of the millions in the country to vote for.

[ckforensic]

Originally Posted by gammawolf

Moreover, just because a President is affiliated with a Xian religion doesn't make his character better than anyone else nor should it matter what religion he belongs too. I really could care less if the President belonged to a Voodoo, Jewish, Buddhist, or Muslim sect as long as he doesn't abuse his powers, adheres to the constitution, and has the nation's welfare and safety as his absolute priority. Religion does not equate decency.

I completely agree!

Also, just because a person believes in God (or some higher power) does not mean that they are a nut job or a crazy misguided dope as many people like to believe (a number of folks on this forum seem to hold this belief).

[ryno]

Originally Posted by ckforensic

I completely agree!

Also, just because a person believes in God (or some higher power) does not mean that they are a nut job or a crazy misguided dope as many people like to believe (a number of folks on this forum seem to hold this belief).

But when someone thinks God talks to them and that person is running the country...scary.

[ckforensic]

Originally Posted by ryno

But when someone thinks God talks to them and that person is running the country...scary.

W has plenty of issues...that's the least of your worries