"Well thank you, that explains it all. Again, if you had the common courtesy to read first, you might have saved yourself a little aggravation. Now for the 5th time, just for you, I was simply interested in why folks held the opinions they did and was looking forward to a well thought out response, not forcing my opinion on anyone. It's pretty simple really, either take the time to read people's posts in their entirety before replying, or risk looking like a rocket school graduate.
That is entirely up to you. "
- how many more times will you repeat the same thing?? i know WHY you were asking for further information from pman. BUT, you didnt stop at that. you tried frantically to make your point "right" and make pman's "wrong". i understood from the get-go, WHY you asked the question. that's why i NEVER brought up your reasons for asking. i merely brought up why do you believe you're "right" and he's "wrong." you think i should go back and re-read? you're the one that cant grasp the concept of a simple discussion. i know this is the totally off topic section of the forum, but GEEZ!
"Never happened, read the post before you reply. Pman's comments about the cost, ability to obtain and maintain insurance protection under such circumstances were very, very wrong. That information is simple point of fact, not opinion, and those familiar with such things would recognize the comment needed correcting.
What's your problem with that?"
- once again, i made NO referrence to the facts that were provided from pman, and your correcting of them. in fact, i admire that you corrected him on that sense. i am specifically referring to comments such as this:
"Like I already said, I'm just trying to understand why you called these people "sick" and "irresponsible" when they do, in fact, appear quite responsible, capable and loving."
this is clearly a case of YOUR opinion, vs. his. which is what my problem is. stop trying to prove him wrong, for it's his opinion (i dont agree with it either), but you cannot prove him wrong!
"Personally I didn't see anything to give the impression these parents went running for national attention. What makes you think that... simply because they agreed to an interview, something you can bet the big media outlets all hounded them for?"
you cannot PROVE whether the parents were going for national attention or not! that's what YOU think, against what HE thinks.
"Yes you should! I don't care if it's religious fundamentalism, left or right politics, gay rights, drug rights or anything else for that matter."
Let him have his own opinion, you are forcing YOUR OWN, on him. whether you admit it, or not.
"Either quote where I am trying to force others to agree with my opinion about this family or kindly refrain from any further such allegations. Shouting and swearing and little temper tantrums don't help make a point, effective words do.
So does simply knowing what it is you're responding to."
just did that.
"I really could care less if you go home and hump a donkey tonite, so long as it's in the privacy of your own home and you don't try to force it on me as anything other than your own personal alternative."
what does this have ANYTHING to do with what we're talking about? we've been discussing about you trying to prove your opinion right, and pman's wrong... and you try to throw this in my face? with what purpose?
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Awww...I missed a good fight up in here because I had already read this article on yahoo before the link was posted so ignored your thread Partyman.
I gotta say these people are certainly living a life that is the complete opposite of mine. And you wouldn't believe how many people get hyper on me about my choice to live completely alone and give up on having kids myself because the men in Ohio are one big nightmare after another.
Just out of curiosity...dholly...do you let your children watch "H.B.HO, Blowtime and Skinamax" when it is hetero smut? I don't care either way but my cousins always watched R rated stuff when we were very young, much younger than I was before I was allowed to choose to watch scary or violent or sexual or all of it together...but even though they saw anything they wanted from the age of 4 on when they started to really understand it all and pick out movies...they turned out to be very well adjusted...more well adjusted than me for sure but I think it was simply that they were loved and felt safe and had a stable home.
- how many more times will you repeat the same thing??
Until you get it into your head - For the 6th time, I was simply interested in why folks held the opinions they did and was looking forward to a well thought out response, not forcing my opinion on anyone.
i know WHY you were asking for further information from pman. BUT, you didnt stop at that. you tried frantically to make your point "right" and make pman's "wrong".
You should add Debate 101 to your curriculum next semester. Every 'debate' begins by introducing the purpose of discussion. In the 2nd para. of my 2nd reply to Pman, I have simply stated my observations and asked why they may be incorrect in Pman's opinion. I was giving Pman an opportunity to support his observations or rebut mine. Since when is attempting a constructive dialog "forcing" or "correcting" another's opinion? That's hardly "frantically to make your point "right" and make pman's "wrong", IMO. Poor guy never even had the ability to respond before you started blasting away either.
i understood from the get-go, WHY you asked the question. that's why i NEVER brought up your reasons for asking. i merely brought up why do you believe you're "right" and he's "wrong."
No you didn't. You spent the last 7 post SCREAMING at me why I was wrong... in your opinion, of course.
"Like I already said, I'm just trying to understand why you called these people "sick" and "irresponsible" when they do, in fact, appear quite responsible, capable and loving."
this is clearly a case of YOUR opinion, vs. his. which is what my problem is. stop trying to prove him wrong, for it's his opinion (i dont agree with it either), but you cannot prove him wrong!
Actually, since I said appear, it was only my observation, but I really don't care if you want to call it my opinion because I still wasn't trying to prove him wrong. I did see what appeared to be a very successful real estate professional building a new 7000sq ft house for his family, former U.S. Senatorial candidate mulling a state senate run, happy wife, healthy, intelligent and well adjusted children... yada yada. There is no mention of financial hardship, abuse or disfunctionality of any kind in the little I read. Do you wish to rebut my observation that this family appears responsible, capable and loving now too? You can argue for the sake of arguing, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, at some point, guess what! It's a f'kn duck! Is there ever going to be something I say that you won't consider "YOUR" opinion. How about 1+1=2?
"Personally I didn't see anything to give the impression these parents went running for national attention. What makes you think that... simply because they agreed to an interview, something you can bet the big media outlets all hounded them for?"
you cannot PROVE whether the parents were going for national attention or not! that's what YOU think, against what HE thinks.
Again, my dear friend, I was not trying to "prove" anything. Simply asking why Pman felt the way he did. Why do you consider asking someone a question an attempt at "forcing", "correcting" or "proving" another's opinion? What's your problem, can't a man ask a simple question?!
"Yes you should! I don't care if it's religious fundamentalism, left or right politics, gay rights, drug rights or anything else for that matter."
Let him have his own opinion, you are forcing YOUR OWN, on him. whether you admit it, or not.
Gimme a break, you actually think I'm trying to tell Navy what to do? Sorry to rain on your parade, but I am quite certain Navy doesn't need any help in determining his own course of action. If there is anyone on this board I expect would stand up to his/her convictions, he's already proven the guy.
"Either quote where I am trying to force others to agree with my opinion about this family or kindly refrain from any further such allegations. Shouting and swearing and little temper tantrums don't help make a point, effective words do.
So does simply knowing what it is you're responding to."
just did that.
No you didn't. You pulled a quote from a comment that had nothing directly to do with your assertions I was trying to force my opinion of the family matters on Pman or others. But it makes no difference really. Since when is stating an opinion an attempt at "forcing", "correcting" or "proving" another's opinion anyways? Get real, people state their opinions many times daily with zero intent of 'converting' others.
Again, since I am the one who made the comments, know and have explained their intent, I'm afraid you are never going to be able to make your case as is. You are wrong and could continue this nonsense forever but you will never be right. Give it up already, you're beginning to look foolish.
"I really could care less if you go home and hump a donkey tonite, so long as it's in the privacy of your own home and you don't try to force it on me as anything other than your own personal alternative."
what does this have ANYTHING to do with what we're talking about? we've been discussing about you trying to prove your opinion right, and pman's wrong... and you try to throw this in my face? with what purpose?
Frankly, since many of your posts neglect to refer to what you are commenting on, sometimes it's an adventure where I have to make an educated guess as to exactly what you are trying to say. But this one is not hard to understand. You had said...
"how difficult is it to comprehend "if navy wants to see gay people, then let him see gay people". gee, it doesnt take a genius to figure that out. but yet you couldnt? "
... clearly, you felt a strong need to tell me that I should let Navy do what he wants. But, since you didn't bother to read the posts thoroughly and see it the first time, I've had to go to the trouble of actually quoting where I had already said Navy has a right to do whatever. Comprehendo? Read the posts. Catch up.
Awww...I missed a good fight up in here because I had already read this article on yahoo before the link was posted so ignored your thread Partyman.
Just out of curiosity...dholly...do you let your children watch "H.B.HO, Blowtime and Skinamax" when it is hetero smut?
Sorry LC, was too tired to reply earlier. As one of this forum's greatest insomniacs, how do you function on 4hrs of sleep? I feel like a** this a.m. even after a gallon of coffee. And I got a late nite coming to boot, grr. And, fight? Nah, I have the patience of a saint, and have every intention of keeping it pleasant as young grasshopper slowly digs his hole deeper and deeper. I wonder, will he ever see the irony of his actions?!
To make a short answer, we don't subscribe to those pay channels. And, if we did, I highly doubt I would be sitting with my teenage daughter to catch the new "Family Business" episode. Of all the cable channels piped into our house, I think we've put only 2 or 3 on the blocker. We seldom have time to simply plant down and veg out in front of the tube anyways, as you can imagine, any house full of teens and preteens keeps moving. When they have time, mostly they choose to hit the computer to AIM their friends or the X-Box for a game of NHL 2005. No uber-violent Mature or Adults Only video games on the shelf either. Of course, they have ample opportunity to experience those things outside the house. But having our rules clearly in focus, implemented and enforced at home allows them to easily understand our expectations of them and what we feel is proper or not. Like most teens these days, they have a hell of a lot more responsibility and freedom than kids my age had back then. We don't stifle them, we talk with them, but it's still basically up to them to find their own individuality within those boundaries. Each is unique in their own right and, I am extermely proud to report, all are high honors students doing just fine!
Good morning Hexx, never forget the pen is mightier than the sword! Can you settle for a little friendly verbal online sparring since, just like sizing up a physical opponent, one really should assess their probability of success in a verbal engagement before they take the first swing.
Awww...I missed a good fight up in here because I had already read this article on yahoo before the link was posted so ignored your thread Partyman.
Just out of curiosity...dholly...do you let your children watch "H.B.HO, Blowtime and Skinamax" when it is hetero smut?
Sorry LC, was too tired to reply earlier. As one of this forum's greatest insomniacs, how do you function on 4hrs of sleep? I feel like a** this a.m. even after a gallon of coffee. And I got a late nite coming to boot, grr. And, fight? Nah, I have the patience of a saint, and have every intention of keeping it pleasant as young grasshopper slowly digs his hole deeper and deeper. I wonder, will he ever see the irony of his actions?!
To make a short answer, we don't subscribe to those pay channels. And, if we did, I highly doubt I would be sitting with my teenage daughter to catch the new "Family Business" episode. Of all the cable channels piped into our house, I think we've put only 2 or 3 on the blocker. We seldom have time to simply plant down and veg out in front of the tube anyways, as you can imagine, any house full of teens and preteens keeps moving. When they have time, mostly they choose to hit the computer to AIM their friends or the X-Box for a game of NHL 2005. No uber-violent Mature or Adults Only video games on the shelf either. Of course, they have ample opportunity to experience those things outside the house. But having our rules clearly in focus, implemented and enforced at home allows them to easily understand our expectations of them and what we feel is proper or not. Like most teens these days, they have a hell of a lot more responsibility and freedom than kids my age had back then. We don't stifle them, we talk with them, but it's still basically up to them to find their own individuality within those boundaries. Each is unique in their own right and, I am extermely proud to report, all are high honors students doing just fine!
I wish more parents were like you dholly. I'm so sick of parents who expect schools/TV/movies to teach their kids responsibility and values. I've always felt that if a parent is doing their job, it won't matter if/when their kids are occasionally exposed to something they shouldn't (sex scene in a movie, lyrics in a song, violent video game, etc) becuase the kid has already been given a good foundation of the difference between right and wrong. The bottom line is: if a movie, or video game, or music has a bigger influence on your child's behavior than your parenting, what's the real issue there? It's not the music/movie/video game.
Dude, I'm with Gamma...I've not heard of 9/10's of those shows! Apparently, I don't spend enought time in front of my TV! I guess that means I'm safe from being "gayified" by Hollywood
As someone who has just one sibling, I am occasionally jealous of people who come from large families. My Dad was one of 10 kids and I know he absolutely did not want a large family. In fact the four of the five youngest kids in his family (including himself) had two or less kids and the 4th had 3. OF the five oldest, three had three or more on their own. I believe that the older kids probably got more attention from their parents than the younger ones did which shaped their respective views on familily life (older kids were given more attention and likely felt that a large family was a happy family; younger kids didn't get as much attention and didn't want the same for their own families). Purely speculative thinking, but based on anecdotal conversations at various family functions, it's probably not too far off point. This is one thing about this story that I see as a possible issue: Can the parents possibly give each one of 16+ kids the attention, nurturing, and guidance that all kids need and deserve, especially as they reach their teen age years?
I think people react strongly to these kinds of stories because of the "fundamentalist" undertones that are portrayed in the story ("If that's what the Lord wants...."). I"m not criticizing their beliefs, just speculating that this kind of stuff can lead to strong reactions from those who may not share their beliefs. Just as talk of gay/lesbian issues does.
Good morning Hexx, never forget the pen is mightier than the sword! Can you settle for a little friendly verbal online sparring since, just like sizing up a physical opponent, one really should assess their probability of success in a verbal engagement before they take the first swing.
It's all good dholly. I was just messing with you guys. I am actually kinda enjoying the verbal sparring. Smoke gets so worked that it is kinda funny.
"No you didn't. You spent the last 7 post SCREAMING at me why I was wrong... in your opinion, of course."
i spent the last 7 posts trying to show you, that your opinion cannot be proven correct, no matter HOW much you try. I never gave in my opinion, i was merely stating the facts that an opinion CANNOT BE PROVEN. which is why, i have been spending my last few good afternoons, trying to make you see that your arguing with pman is USELESS... but you're too stubborn to see it
"Why do you consider asking someone a question an attempt at "forcing", "correcting" or "proving" another's opinion?"
are you kidding me? you STILL dont see where your faults lay? like ive stated for 11th time, you can ask for an opinion without any problem. but then you started to rebut pman's point of view, and trying to show how he SHOULD see things. why are you in such denial? do you just enjoy arguing for the hell of it? or are you one of those people that can never be wrong?
"Gimme a break, you actually think I'm trying to tell Navy what to do?"
then what were you doing? please explain that for me. because "yes you should!" is a direct command, not a plea, nor a question.
"Get real, people state their opinions many times daily with zero intent of 'converting' others."
not really, most people state their own opinions to make others see their point of view, and how the other person is wrong for thinking a certain way. there are a FEW people that are capable of presenting an opinion without trying to make others agree. but you are not one of them.
"You are wrong and could continue this nonsense forever but you will never be right."
funny, this is EXACTLY what i thought when i first read your rebutles against pman. i think it's rather funny how you could say that to me
"But, since you didn't bother to read the posts thoroughly and see it the first time, I've had to go to the trouble of actually quoting where I had already said Navy has a right to do whatever."
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