Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails posted this link on his site. i found it pretty interesting and true. ala, "The Day After Tomorrow"
btw, i'm fascinated by these theories and somewhat understand the realism of it. and also the truth behind that movie. (i watch too much discovery channel)
global warming WILL cause the next ice age. it's not a matter of if but when. i just hope i'm not alive for it. (although it would be on the top of my list of ways to die) remember that convo a long time ago??
Holy Cow! Maybe global warning is the reason why I can't get into these forums sometimes!!!
All kidding aside, yes, I believe it is universally accpeted that the world's climate has gotten "warmer" over the last 50 year or so. But, its also a known scientific fact that the world's climate has warmed and cooled many times in its history, this is a natural trend (our Earth has endured a handful of severe Ice ages and many other periods of extended climactic heating and cooling...geological research supports this). The real question is, is man responsible for the current warming trend or is it part of this natural pattern?
I don't buy it. That article is an OP-ED piece written by some guy who gives NO references to any sort of research that would support his assertions. Nor does he tell us what his credentials are that make him qualified to reach the conclusions that he did. I could write an article that said Katerina was the result of too many birds flapping their wings at the same time, but that doesn't make it true. It's just another example of BS environmental alarmism telling the world the sky is falling. Its irresponsible.
edit:Another thing: the day I start listening to Trent Reznor (or any other celebrity for that matter) for scientific, political, or moral information or guidance will be the day I have become legally retarded.
I don't buy it. That article is an OP-ED piece written by some guy who gives NO references to any sort of research that would support his assertions. Nor does he tell us what his credentials are that make him qualified to reach the conclusions that he did. I could write an article that said Katerina was the result of too many birds flapping their wings at the same time, but that doesn't make it true. It's just another example of BS environmental alarmism telling the world the sky is falling. Its irresponsible.
Exactly, and here is some food for thought that I posted on another forum, when this topic was brought up.
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I highly suggest you buy and read "State of Fear" a very good suspense/mystery/thriller by Michael Crighton - the same guy who produces E.R., and wrote the books that spurred the movies:
Disclosure with Demi Moore and Michael douglas
Congo (the movie blew, great book)
Sphere (half decent movie with Dustin Hoffman, Sharon Stone, Samuel L. Jackson)
Jurrasic Park (both movies were from his books, great books, so-so movies)
At any rate, he is one of the few mainstream authors today who not only writes his fiction based on real life facts, but also provides a full bibliography citing the numerous text books, historical data, and research papers produced by numerous scientists who are well known and respected in their fields. What you hear and see about global warming is the direct result or digesting and regurgitating what the media tells you (It was on the news, it MUST be true, right?)
The facts are that there are some glaciers melting. The facts also are that Antartica is getting thicker by the year, faster than it ever has before due to record cold and snowfalls. One volcanic eruption by a single volcano, produces more greenhouse gasses in a year than all the cars and trucks on earth combined. ONE volcano. Now, go find out how many volcanoes erupt each year.
The trending data that shows the average temperature in major cities around the world show some really hot years, some really cold years. The mean average is pretty much the same. No real deviation to show the temps are going up steadily.
Some quotes from the book:
"The reality is that in Iceland, the first half of the 20th century was warmer than the second half we just got through, the same as Greenland. In Iceland, most glaciers lost mass after 1930 because summers warmed by an average of .6 degrees Celcius, but since that time they have been steadily advancing. They have already regained half of the mass they lost earlier. Right now, eleven of them are surging. - Source: P. Chylek, et al. 2004, "Global Warming and the Greenland Ice sheet," Climactic Changes 63, 201-21 "Since 1940...data have undergone predominately a cooling trend...The Greenland ice sheet and costal regions are not following the current global warming trend."
Not to make Michael's books sound like research material - they are great, fun reads. He just has a very good knack for writing in facts and technical details which are not dry and dull, yet educate you at the same time.
The entire picture shows that things are still pretty even around the world, however, if you take readings from only the cities that have shown warmer temps over the last 30-50 years, you can easily state "it's obvious the earth is warming." By looking at ALL the data from ALL the cities, you will find the vast majority to show that there has been little if any changes in temps though, and you can also site cities which have shown a marked DROP in tops over the past 30-50 years, offsetting those which the media grandstand upon as bastions of proof that the earth is getting too hot.
Another person here said very succinctly, "I think the only thing we have proof of is the arrogance of Man that can even consider we have such control over climate in the first place." I would liken us to a flea bragging to another flea that he is in control of the dog's tail and can make it wag whenever he feels like it.
Don't believe the hype - go do a little research of your own then drawn your own conclusions, rather than supporting those which are beign force fed to you.
We live in one giant ecosystem. We affect things as much as any other species on the planet for the most part, though we do tend to impact certain areas a lot more than most (like air quality in small areas around large cities).
Billions of years ago, there was no oxygen in this atmosphere. Nada. Zip. Zero.
This was a GOOD thing.
Oxygen is a poison.
It's toxic and corrosive.
Rust is the corrosion of iron. Water and Oxygen cause rust (oxidation). Water alone is ok, they pull WWII planes out of the sea in pristine condition.
If you keep a person with good lung capacity on 100% oxygen they will eventually die from O2 poisoning.
Scuba divers dive on plain old air they can go down as far as 297 feet safely. Deeper means Oxygen Toxicity, where you convulse and hemmorage to death in a very painful way. VERY deep dives, Oxygen is actually removed from the air they breath, and substituted with Helium or some other inert (read Noble) gas, so the % of O2 drops far under the nermal ~20% we breathe now.
Why is all this something I am talking about? Because when bacteria and plants started producing O2 as a waste product, they were basically polluting their own environment. They were poisoning the air and killing themselves because it would be equal to a Yeast cell in a bottle of wine, eating all the sugar and producing alcohol as the byproduct, eventually killing itself when there is so much alcohol that it dies from swimming in it's own feces.
What happened was that this created a stable environment for the first non-plant (they were not exactly animals yet) life forms. Were it NOT for the inhabitants of the earth polluting their own environment, we would not be here now. This wouldn't be a suitible place to live in the form we are in now. Life as a whole adapts. Things change, and life either changes with it on an individual basis, or it is snuffed out. Life as a whole continues though.
Funny, one of the things that scientists for centuries poured over to find is a TRUE perpetual motion machine. One already exists, but not one they created. It's the universe. No new energy is introduced, no new matter. It's an incredible immense and vastly intricate system, but it just keeps going and going. Life is a vital cog in that machine too.
Something else worth looking at is the first season of "Bullshit" with Pen and Teller. It's a show on Showtime. They dedicated an entire show to environmental hysteria. Now before you flame me, I understand Pen & Teller are celebrities and performers, not scientists.
However....
On the show they interview scientists and experts on both sides of the argument who explain their credentials and cite their sources. Pen & Teller themselves also reference the source whenever they quote a fact or figure. The conclusion they came to is that we can't come to a conclusion but if anything the data suggests that any warming trend we may be experiencing is just part of the natural ebb and flow of the planets normal fluctuation.
The whole series, both seasons, are fantastic. It's one of my favorite shows ever. The first and second seasons are also on DVD and are available at just about any Blockbuster and I would imagine Netflix too.
all i know is that i have read many articles and also have seen a documentary saying that the salt levels of the "conveyor belt" is dropping dangerously fast. mostly in the Atlantic Ocean.
in the past 5 years it has dropped double digit percentages. scientists don't know exactly the percentage that the conveyor belt will shut off. they have said that there is a decent chance of it happening in 50-100 years. and it is VERY likely within a few hundred years.
when this happens --- we will then be in an ice age. somewhat like "The Day After Tomorrow" but that movie was obviously heavily exagerated.
in reality -- the next Ice Age has little to do with the ozone layer and pollution (on a whole) it reallly has to do with the ocean and fresh water "taking over" the salt water.
this is a much more serious threat than asteroids and all the other crap people are afraid of. the scary thing is - it could happen tomorrow - we would have little to no warning.
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all i know is that i have read many articles and also have seen a documentary saying that the salt levels of the "conveyor belt" is dropping dangerously fast. mostly in the Atlantic Ocean.
in the past 5 years it has dropped double digit percentages. scientists don't know exactly the percentage that the conveyor belt will shut off. they have said that there is a decent chance of it happening in 50-100 years. and it is VERY likely within a few hundred years.
when this happens --- we will then be in an ice age. somewhat like "The Day After Tomorrow" but that movie was obviously heavily exagerated.
in reality -- the next Ice Age has little to do with the ozone layer and pollution (on a whole) it reallly has to do with the ocean and fresh water "taking over" the salt water.
this is a much more serious threat than asteroids and all the other crap people are afraid of. the scary thing is - it could happen tomorrow - we would have little to no warning.
I would be inclined to conclude, based on the evidence I've seen, that if this did happen it wouldn't be because of anything we humans did. Like I said, the Earth has it's own cycle that has been turning for millionsof years. We've only been fucking with it for a couple hundred.
all i know is that i have read many articles and also have seen a documentary saying that the salt levels of the "conveyor belt" is dropping dangerously fast. mostly in the Atlantic Ocean.
in the past 5 years it has dropped double digit percentages. scientists don't know exactly the percentage that the conveyor belt will shut off. they have said that there is a decent chance of it happening in 50-100 years. and it is VERY likely within a few hundred years.
when this happens --- we will then be in an ice age. somewhat like "The Day After Tomorrow" but that movie was obviously heavily exagerated.
in reality -- the next Ice Age has little to do with the ozone layer and pollution (on a whole) it reallly has to do with the ocean and fresh water "taking over" the salt water.
this is a much more serious threat than asteroids and all the other crap people are afraid of. the scary thing is - it could happen tomorrow - we would have little to no warning.
I saw a scary show on that about a year and a half ago...it was a couple of days before Charley hit last year. It was a Sunday night thing and I was already not wanting to get up to work the next day. I get up and the first thing I see was Charley brewin' on TWC and one of the signs that the gulf stream conveyor is getting ready to shut down and life as we know it over...the hurricanes hitting golf in force.
So naturally I ran around screaming in people's faces for like the entire day "WE GOTTA GIT MUTHAFUCKIN' MORTON'S SALT TRUCK UP IN THATBITCH, WE ALL GONNA DIE! SALT, MAN SAAAAAALT! GA WAH SI I DOH"
My co-workers were like oh man who did this to you? Was it that damned scientist who you are always hangin' at his feet? Don't pay attention to science, girl. Go home and have a beer.
all i know is that i have read many articles and also have seen a documentary saying that the salt levels of the "conveyor belt" is dropping dangerously fast. mostly in the Atlantic Ocean.
in the past 5 years it has dropped double digit percentages. scientists don't know exactly the percentage that the conveyor belt will shut off. they have said that there is a decent chance of it happening in 50-100 years. and it is VERY likely within a few hundred years.
when this happens --- we will then be in an ice age. somewhat like "The Day After Tomorrow" but that movie was obviously heavily exagerated.
in reality -- the next Ice Age has little to do with the ozone layer and pollution (on a whole) it reallly has to do with the ocean and fresh water "taking over" the salt water.
this is a much more serious threat than asteroids and all the other crap people are afraid of. the scary thing is - it could happen tomorrow - we would have little to no warning.
I would be inclined to conclude, based on the evidence I've seen, that if this did happen it wouldn't be because of anything we humans did. Like I said, the Earth has it's own cycle that has been turning for millionsof years. We've only been fucking with it for a couple hundred.
no i agree that us humans have little to do with it. (in the grand scheme of things) but we are speeding it up.
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all i know is that i have read many articles and also have seen a documentary saying that the salt levels of the "conveyor belt" is dropping dangerously fast. mostly in the Atlantic Ocean.
in the past 5 years it has dropped double digit percentages. scientists don't know exactly the percentage that the conveyor belt will shut off. they have said that there is a decent chance of it happening in 50-100 years. and it is VERY likely within a few hundred years.
when this happens --- we will then be in an ice age. somewhat like "The Day After Tomorrow" but that movie was obviously heavily exagerated.
in reality -- the next Ice Age has little to do with the ozone layer and pollution (on a whole) it reallly has to do with the ocean and fresh water "taking over" the salt water.
this is a much more serious threat than asteroids and all the other crap people are afraid of. the scary thing is - it could happen tomorrow - we would have little to no warning.
I saw a scary show on that about a year and a half ago...it was a couple of days before Charley hit last year. It was a Sunday night thing and I was already not wanting to get up to work the next day. I get up and the first thing I see was Charley brewin' on TWC and one of the signs that the gulf stream conveyor is getting ready to shut down and life as we know it over...the hurricanes hitting golf in force.
So naturally I ran around screaming in people's faces for like the entire day "WE GOTTA GIT MUTHAFUCKIN' MORTON'S SALT TRUCK UP IN THATBITCH, WE ALL GONNA DIE! SALT, MAN SAAAAAALT! GA WAH SI I DOH"
My co-workers were like oh man who did this to you? Was it that damned scientist who you are always hangin' at his feet? Don't pay attention to science, girl. Go home and have a beer.
HAHAHAH yes!
when i saw the show - i was telling everyone at work the next day. they were like "chill out dude" they thought i had lost my mind.
it's all true though. but it's something you can't really worry about in everyday life since it's unlikely it will happen during our life time.
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HAH, LC you crazy. Anyways, the reason why the ocean is so salty is because all the fish pee in the ocean and since us humans started taking out alot of fishes from the ocean it's getting less salty.
HAH, LC you crazy. Anyways, the reason why the ocean is so salty is because all the fish pee in the ocean and since us humans started taking out alot of fishes from the ocean it's getting less salty.
ironrice, why has the global scientific community not been coming to you all along. Your level of thinking is clearly on a higher plane than mortal man could hope to achieve. To think that until now, because they have been stuck on this "global warming" nonsense, they've really just been chasing a red herring.
HAH, LC you crazy. Anyways, the reason why the ocean is so salty is because all the fish pee in the ocean and since us humans started taking out alot of fishes from the ocean it's getting less salty.
dude, you better call NOAA and tell them right away!
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As you probably know, I have very strong feelings against environmental hogwash... Global warming certainly falls under this category as a scare tactic and I am really tired of hearing these fear mongers. Thanks Navy and NW for being the voices of reason on here. Great job!
As you probably know, I have very strong feelings against environmental hogwash... Global warming certainly falls under this category as a scare tactic and I am really tired of hearing these fear mongers. Thanks Navy and NW for being the voices of reason on here. Great job!
but what i said is still a true threat.
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Katrina's real name..... global warming
Was it that damned scientist who you are always hangin' at his feet? Don't pay attention to science, girl. Go home and have a beer.
