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Old 09-13-2005, 09:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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this is for all the bush haters, enjoy

http://gprime.net/video.php/presidentialspeechalist
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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ohh yeah

it was the CD cover...


i passed by the cd one day, and i was like... "wait a minute.... isnt that msb's avatar??? rockers "
i HATE that people say that!

ok - i have to give a quick lesson. then i'll shut up about it.

Dave Matthews Band has been around for over 15 years now.
that "thing" is called a firedancer. Dave designed it not long after they became a band.
the story is that that is what he sees when he's playing a show and looks into the crowd. that's how he views the fans.
all of us "fans" were mad when they made the new album cover that because we knew people would associate the firedancer with the album "Stand Up" which is one of their worst albums (even tho i do like it)
it's 6 out of 7, IMO

but this is what a firedancer looks like (mine was zoomed in)



(no thats not my room -- hahah- just some crazy fan)

this is a similar one that Dave also did called "Dancing 8"



ok... well thats my DMB education for a while. sorry to bore all of you. HAHA
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i HATE that people say that!


what do you hate exactly? the association of the cd w/ the dancer?


i really dont care i dont listen to them i just recognized your avatar.
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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this is for all the bush haters, enjoy

http://gprime.net/video.php/presidentialspeechalist

LMAO! that is gold! i might have to put that in my AIM profile
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i HATE that people say that!


what do you hate exactly? the association of the cd w/ the dancer?


i really dont care i dont listen to them i just recognized your avatar.
haha yep. i don't like that people think that the firedancer is for that cd. no big deal tho haha
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this is for all the bush haters, enjoy

http://gprime.net/video.php/presidentialspeechalist

LMAO! that is gold! i might have to put that in my AIM profile
yeah i knew u would like that. i like bush... but its still funny
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this is for all the bush haters, enjoy

http://gprime.net/video.php/presidentialspeechalist

LMAO! that is gold! i might have to put that in my AIM profile
yeah i knew u would like that. i like bush... but its still funny
you like Bush???

ooooo... i'll pretend i didn't hear that - haha
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this is for all the bush haters, enjoy

http://gprime.net/video.php/presidentialspeechalist

LMAO! that is gold! i might have to put that in my AIM profile
yeah i knew u would like that. i like bush... but its still funny
you like Bush???

ooooo... i'll pretend i didn't hear that - haha

yeah...

and i like mccain too cant wait till i vote for him
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Back on topic:

I personally think that Bush deserves a pat on the back for taking the blame. He did not fail in the relief efforts as he declared a state of emergency 48 hrs in advance. Therefore, FEMA should have been waiting right outside if the states to move in immediately following the hurricane. Also, the govenor should have mobilized more National Guardsman. Do you want Bush to hold everyone's hands while they are doing their jobs. He just wants people to stop feeling the pressure and get back to cleaning this mess up, instead of trying to pin the blame on someone different everyday. I applaud him for his actions.
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:14 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The guy does come across as a bit of a buffoon sometimes....I think its kind of endearing

Seriously though, I interpreted his apology to mean, hey, I'm the guy at the top, and I take responsibility for shit that happens on my watch (whether or not he directly was resonsible for what happened). I can respect that.

While I cannot say that this guy is the best president we've had or even the best president we could have right now, I am getting a bit tired of democrats complaining all the time about what a shitty president he is. WHere in the hell is your candidate? Who the hell is your candidate? The Demos haven't exactly put together a strong run at this office the last two election. Instead of complaining, how about finding a worthy candidate. I'm a middle of the road Republican who could be pursuaded to vote for a middle of the road Democrat...but come on, outside of Clinton, there hasn't been a Democratic Candidate that America could embrace, understand, get behind, etc. Dukakis? Kerry? Gore? (and, no, I didn't like Clinton, but I at least appreciate his popularity) This is the best you can come up with?
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Clinton would be more worried about nutting on his pants because Monica didn't swallow rather than apologize for other peoples actions.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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haha... Dumbass Bush actually took blame for the fed. govt taking so long to react to Katrina.
what a tool. now people will realize (from his own mouth) EVEN MORE what an idiot he is and how stupid they were for re-electing his dumbass.

also... if not more important -- some officials have lost their jobs and more are expected to. at least people are being held responsible.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/kat...nse/index.html

MARCH 1, 2006: So now a tape comes off that shows Bush being warned of the levees vulnerability and the limited resources to respond with - in AUGUST 2005. His response: "We are fully prepared."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/.../katrina_video

Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina By MARGARET EBRAHIM and JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writers
27 minutes ago


In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."

The footage — along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press — show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush's confidence on Aug. 28 starkly contrasts with the dire warnings his disaster chief and a cacophony of federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.

A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and then-Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.

"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.

Some of the footage and transcripts from briefings Aug. 25-31 conflicts with the defenses that federal, state and local officials have made in trying to deflect blame and minimize the political fallout from the failed Katrina response:

_Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

"I don't buy the `fog of war' defense," Brown told the AP in an interview Wednesday. "It was a fog of bureaucracy."

_Bush declared four days after the storm, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that gushed deadly flood waters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too.

White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and Brown discussed fears of a levee breach the day the storm hit.

"I talked to the president twice today, once in Crawford and then again on Air Force One," Brown said. "He's obviously watching the television a lot, and he had some questions about the Dome, he's asking questions about reports of breaches."

_Louisiana officials angrily blamed the federal government for not being prepared but the transcripts shows they were still praising FEMA as the storm roared toward the Gulf Coast and even two days afterward. "I think a lot of the planning FEMA has done with us the past year has really paid off," Col. Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, said during the Aug. 28 briefing.

It wasn't long before Smith and other state officials sounded overwhelmed.

"We appreciate everything that you all are doing for us, and all I would ask is that you realize that what's going on and the sense of urgency needs to be ratcheted up," Smith said Aug. 30.

Mississippi begged for more attention in that same briefing.

"We know that there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana that need to be rescued, but we would just ask you, we desperately need to get our share of assets because we'll have people dying — not because of water coming up, but because we can't get them medical treatment in our affected counties," said a Mississippi state official whose name was not mentioned on the tape.

Video footage of the Aug. 28 briefing, the final one before Katrina struck, showed an intense Brown voicing concerns from the government's disaster operation center and imploring colleagues to do whatever was necessary to help victims.

"We're going to need everything that we can possibly muster, not only in this state and in the region, but the nation, to respond to this event," Brown warned. He called the storm "a bad one, a big one" and implored federal agencies to cut through red tape to help people, bending rules if necessary.

"Go ahead and do it," Brown said. "I'll figure out some way to justify it. ... Just let them yell at me."

Bush appeared from a narrow, windowless room at his vacation ranch in Texas, with his elbows on a table. Hagin was sitting alongside him. Neither asked questions in the Aug. 28 briefing.

"I want to assure the folks at the state level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm, but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm," the president said.

A relaxed Chertoff, sporting a polo shirt, weighed in from Washington at Homeland Security's operations center. He would later fly to Atlanta, outside of Katrina's reach, for a bird flu event.

One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.

Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"

Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."

Chertoff: "Good job."

In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.

The National Hurricane Center's Mayfield told the final briefing before Katrina struck that storm models predicted minimal flooding inside New Orleans during the hurricane but he expressed concerns that counterclockwise winds and storm surges afterward could cause the levees at Lake Pontchartrain to be overrun.

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing.

Other officials expressed concerns about the large number of New Orleans residents who had not evacuated.

"They're not taking patients out of hospitals, taking prisoners out of prisons and they're leaving hotels open in downtown New Orleans. So I'm very concerned about that," Brown said.

Despite the concerns, it ultimately took days for search and rescue teams to reach some hospitals and nursing homes.

Brown also told colleagues one of his top concerns was whether evacuees who went to the New Orleans Superdome — which became a symbol of the failed Katrina response — would be safe and have adequate medical care.

"The Superdome is about 12 feet below sea level.... I don't know whether the roof is designed to stand, withstand a Category Five hurricane," he said.

Brown also wanted to know whether there were enough federal medical teams in place to treat evacuees and the dead in the Superdome.

"Not to be (missing) kind of gross here," Brown interjected, "but I'm concerned" about the medical and mortuary resources "and their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe."

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Associated Press writers Ron Fournier and Lara Jakes Jordan contributed to this story.
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Well, I wonder if voters will be smart enough to 'fire' non-federal government appointed officials that dropped the ball, ie., Blanco and Nagin at the next election too? Or make enough noise to have them resign their jobs first? Either way, I ain't holdin' my breath.
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Exactly, they should be held with the same [if not more] accountability for their lack of actions. It's unfortunate that the Bush-haters and the media are so quick to overlook this and blame Bush for everything.
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Well, I wonder if voters will be smart enough to 'fire' non-federal government appointed officials that dropped the ball, ie., Blanco and Nagin at the next election too? Or make enough noise to have them resign their jobs first? Either way, I ain't holdin' my breath.
Agreed. Or the shitty senators that we are stuck with now. I would love to see a changing of the guards but I know it ain't gonna happen.
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