That's reasonably humorous, but how can people keep saying that the war is all about oil (just as they said in the early 1990's) and we obviously don't reap the rewards of this.
Are you kidding? We have incredibly low gas prices compared to the rest of the Western world. Our strongarm tactics get us quite a discount; we are definitely reaping the "rewards" of this war. And for the low, low price of 1,800 Americans that we never met!
Show me one bit of evidence that we are using the oil from Iraq for ourselves, especially to an extent that shows proof that the war was based upon this objective.
Our gas prices have always been low when compared to Europe, so that hasn't changed since the war and is not evidence that we are gaining any advantage because of the war. Gas is cheaper presumably because of the volume of oil that we purchase and because we have refineries on our soil. Gas prices in Canada have been comparable to those in the US, are you going to tell me that Canada strongarms the other countries too ? I want you to show me direct evidence that we are using Iraqi oil to benefit ourselves to any great extent.
Hey, it's more believable than any of the official justifications.
The original justifications were based upon intelligence data gathered throughout the Clinton administration's reign, the British intelligence, French intelligence (oxymoron), Russian intelligence, UN intelligence (another oxymoron), etc. It's not as if Bush woke up one morning and came up with a story that Saddam had WMDs. As I've said numerous times, it wasn't our responsibility to go into Iraq, remove Saddam, or serach for WMDs. It was the job of the UN, but they are completely incompetent and untrustworthy (even more than Bush ) and were giving Saddam billions of dollars through the oil for food scandal. So, there was no way that the UN was going to do their job in looking for WMDs and protecting the world from terrorist organizations. The only country in the world who was capable of leading an effort to accomplish this objective is the US. It's just a shame that most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
French intelligence (oxymoron)..
UN intelligence (another oxymoron)...
It was the job of the UN, but they are completely incompetent and untrustworthy...
most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
AAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLO O MAN THAT NEVAR GETS OLD BOYCOTT FRANCE USA #1 SCREW EVERYONE ELSE
Most of what you say is good, but crap like this undermines every point you try to make. You lump yourself in with every ignorant hick when you say things like that, and I find no reason to listen to anything else you say when you're so deliberately wrong-headed about international politics.
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I want you to show me direct evidence that we are using Iraqi oil to benefit ourselves to any great extent.
The funneling of reconstruction money into crony companies that secured no-bid contracts seems like pretty good evidence. Or a string of really unlikely coincidences.
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And there's the Venezuela thing. If we were to overthrow Chavez, it could be interpereted as a pattern of behavior on the part of the US towards countries with significant oil resources.
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And there's the Venezuela thing. If we were to overthrow Chavez, it could be interpereted as a pattern of behavior on the part of the US towards countries with significant oil resources.
And a pattern of ignorance/inaction toward countries with similar problems but no oil.
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French intelligence (oxymoron)..
UN intelligence (another oxymoron)...
It was the job of the UN, but they are completely incompetent and untrustworthy...
most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
AAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLO O MAN THAT NEVAR GETS OLD BOYCOTT FRANCE USA #1 SCREW EVERYONE ELSE
Most of what you say is good, but crap like this undermines every point you try to make. You lump yourself in with every ignorant hick when you say things like that, and I find no reason to listen to anything else you say when you're so deliberately wrong-headed about international politics.
Where do you get off lumping me with ignorant hicks? What is so "deliberately wrong-headed about my discussions of international politics" throughout the last number of years. I see now that you are like most of the other typical liberals who resort to calling people names and then dismissing them on the basis that they are not as intellectual as they are. This is common place for liberals who are challenged on their soft beliefs and can't handle someone offering a perspective that is different from what they and their liberal friends talk about when they are Bush bashing.
The comments about French and UN intelligence were jokes. Of course they have decent intelligence, they just choose to not act upon it. What is so wrong about my comments about WWI and WWII? You, obviously, are the self-proclaimed expert in international politics. Tell me how the european countries were proactive in keeping Hitler from gaining power. Tell me how they have been proactive in fighting terrorism throughout the past 10 years. Tell me how they helped to stop Saddam from killing hundreds of thousands of people and from making WMDs.
I did not call them pussies because of the way that they fought and died in WWI and WWII. I called them pussies because they are/were too afraid to do anything about stopping evil dictators before they became strong enough to overthrow them.
Where do you get off lumping me with ignorant hicks?
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I see now that you are like most of the other typical liberals who resort to calling people names
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French intelligence (oxymoron)..
UN intelligence (another oxymoron)...
It was the job of the UN, but they are completely incompetent and untrustworthy...
most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
Those darn liberals, always calling people names.
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Tell me how they have been proactive in fighting terrorism throughout the past 10 years. Tell me how they helped to stop Saddam from killing hundreds of thousands of people and from making WMDs.
We acted exactly the same way they did, if not worse. Remember, it was us who sold Saddam those weapons. You can't claim superiority over them, because we all ignored Saddam until it became convenient to fight him. When we decided to go over there, most European nations objected (as was their right) and tried (through the UN) to stop us from killing hundreds of thousands of people. They couldn't, though, we're the strongest so we get to kill whoever we want, USA#1.
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I called them pussies because they are/were too afraid to do anything about stopping evil dictators before they became strong enough to overthrow them.
There are countless other dictators around the world, and we're doing nothing to stop them. So we're pussies too! Stop all this jingoistic crap about how every other country sucks except us, we're just as bad.
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Where do you get off lumping me with ignorant hicks?
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I see now that you are like most of the other typical liberals who resort to calling people names
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French intelligence (oxymoron)..
UN intelligence (another oxymoron)...
It was the job of the UN, but they are completely incompetent and untrustworthy...
most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
Those darn liberals, always calling people names.
Nobody's perfect
Do you see the UN as being competent and trustworthy?
Do you see the UN as being competent and trustworthy?
That's a tough one. In spirit, yes, but in practice, no. Unfortunately, that's mostly due to our unwillingness to accept their authority. The UN would be competent if they could enforce international law, which they can't without us. They would be trustworthy if they provided checks and balances so that any one nation could not get its way in every situation, which again they cannot do without our support.
So basically I'm saying that we make or break the UN. If we choose to "make" it, then yes, it will be competent and trustworthy.
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going into Iraq and throwing Sadaam out did not get us one gallon more of crude oil......BUT, doing so should have significantly reduced the risk of NOT getting oil from that country in the future (although its debatable as to whether or not that's been accomplished in light of everything that's gone on there since)....it's about protecting our interests there (see the the Venezuela thread). If this was purely about WMD (wheather justified or not) why isn't our President banging the drum over North Korea? Because: 1) he doesn't want to piss off China, and 2) North Korea has ABSOLUTELY nothing that we need.
If this was purely about WMD (wheather justified or not) why isn't our President banging the drum over North Korea? Because: 1) he doesn't want to piss off China, and 2) North Korea has ABSOLUTELY nothing that we need.
North Korea has a long history of threatening other countries to get money, resources, etc. because they have few natural resources of their own. Threatening other countries is the only way that they can get "foreign aid".
The only reason Gas is more expensive in Europe is because they are more solcialist and tax their gas more (80% of what they pay goes to taxes Vs less than 50% in the U.S)
It has nothing to do with us getting discounts...
We go to war not to get cheap gas, but to have control and maintain stability over oil producing countries..
I do not agree with this strategy, but it is what it is
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? I want you to show me direct evidence that we are using Iraqi oil to benefit ourselves to any great extent.
) and were giving Saddam billions of dollars through the oil for food scandal. So, there was no way that the UN was going to do their job in looking for WMDs and protecting the world from terrorist organizations. The only country in the world who was capable of leading an effort to accomplish this objective is the US. It's just a shame that most of the european countries (and the UN) are still a bunch of pussies and learned nothing from WWI and WWII.
