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Old 08-23-2005, 01:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default This is one scary @-hole.

This guy is scarey. What a good Christian wanting to "take out" another human being. Nevermind that he hasn't been accused or convicted of anything. He doesn't even say why he should be taken out. Other than he's sitting on a huge oil stockpile.

The worst part of this self-proclaimed reverend is that he has millions of followers.

Oops. Copied the link and forgot to post it.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/rob...vez/index.html
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Whos the scary ahole???
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Old 08-23-2005, 01:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry. Pat Robertson.

When I'm at work I'm throwing posts up pretty quickly and don't always proof read them.
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WTF are we talking about?

Edit: Ahhh... that scary a-hole.
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He basically called for the assassination of the Venezuelan president.

Hm, a fundamentalist calling for assassination of a political figure? Nothing new there, I guess.
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There is a link in my original post now. Oopsy.
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Scary to some perhaps for being so blatantly outspoken, but I'd wager there are a whole lot of other folks who share the same sentiment but have trouble admitting it publically. Curious why this is situation may be considered different than the 'hunt for BinLaden'. If someone publically and repeatedly holds him/herself out to be a mortal enemy of the U.S. who's primary purpose is to intentionally inflict the greatest harm possible upon Americans, does the law against assination of foreign leaders apply? Leaders of what? Countrys, peoples, religions, etc.? Or does the right to self-defend take precedence?
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When did Chavez state that his primary purpose is to inflict the greatest harm upon the Americans (link please)? Venezuela stated that if the U.S. shows any signs of aggression towards them they will cut off our oils supplies. Can you blame them after Iraq? Chavez was democratically elected in that country. But I guess democracy only counts if it's installed by the U.S.
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You can't compare Chavez to Bin Laden. Chavez is the elected leader of a country. Bin Laden is a religious fanatic with very direct terroist ties. Putting Chavez into the same category only confirms the worlds assertion that the US only cares about oil and is willing to kill people for it.
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Scary to some perhaps for being so blatantly outspoken, but I'd wager there are a whole lot of other folks who share the same sentiment but have trouble admitting it publically.
He's not scary because he's outspoken, he's scary because he has such an uninformed grasp of the real world and is willing to do real damage to further his agenda. Even scarier is the fact that so many people follow him.
People like him and Jerry Falwell are our bin Ladens.

For example, one of his reasons is that Venezuela is trying to further "communist infiltration" and "muslim extremism", which is nonsense.

Also, if you intend to defend this guy, recall that he also called for the nuclear bombing of the state department a while ago. Yeah, he seriously suggested using nuclear weapons against ourselves.
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Scary to some perhaps for being so blatantly outspoken, but I'd wager there are a whole lot of other folks who share the same sentiment but have trouble admitting it publically.
He's not scary because he's outspoken, he's scary because he has such an uninformed grasp of the real world and is willing to do real damage to further his agenda. Even scarier is the fact that so many people follow him.
People like him and Jerry Falwell are our bin Ladens.

For example, one of his reasons is that Venezuela is trying to further "communist infiltration" and "muslim extremism", which is nonsense.

Also, if you intend to defend this guy, recall that he also called for the nuclear bombing of the state department a while ago. Yeah, he seriously suggested using nuclear weapons against ourselves.
Uhhh....no.

Bin Laden has gone out and activity planned and carried out acts of terrorism. Where these guys are similar is suggesting that others be harmed to meet their own personal agenda. Here again the scope of which these people are pushing their agendas are far different. Not even in the same ballpark.
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YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.


I am of cuban-american decent therefore i know a thing or 2 about communism.


#1) chavez has become the apprentice of fidel castro, in such a way that he too has gone as far as to say many of the threats that castro has whispered our way. if you side with the enemy, then YOU TOO BECOME THE ENEMY.

#2) what the hell are u talkin about ryno?? chavez threathened to cut his oil supply to the US if they were to interfere with the elections that have occured in venezuela IN ORDER TO REMOVE HIM FROM POWER. i'd like to know who the hell he is going to sell that oil to, when we're the biggest buyers of their supply.

#3) there were elections held in order to REMOVE CHAVEZ OUT OF POWER. why? because the venezuelan people do not want the youth of fidel castro to rule their country. THEY WANT TO BE FREE LIKE US! during the time that all the protests IN THE STREETS were happening, CHAVEZ HAD TO FLEE THE NATION AND FIND REFUGE IN CUBA.

#4) MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS hit the streets to vote in venezuela whether they wanted to keep chavez or not. MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS THAT WERE ANTI CHAVEZ LIKE WE'RE ANTI OSAMA. guess what happened?? magically, everyone at the polls had a sudden change of heart, and decided to vote to keep chavez, therefore chavez has been "elected democratically" to stay. The numbers were so incredibly ridiculous that supposedly only 20% of the venezuelan population wanted to expult chavez from power. CAN U SAY FRAUD???

No, you cannot put chavez in the same level as osama bin laden. but YOU SHOULD put fidel castro on the same level as osama. in cuba, if u were to speak against the government, you will either receive 25 years in jail, or be killed. During the period that castro was in need of military support in order to combat batista, castro mandatorily placed men into the service IF NOT THEY WOULD BE KILLED. sounds much like hitler doesnt it?

so what do castro, hitler, and osama have in common? they were/are fanatic sons of bitches that killed thousands in their personal quests.

Now you tell me... would u trust someone who's declared to support castro at all cost to lead your nation? We have so many possible terrorist leaders within our own hemisphere, yet you guys are too blind to see it.
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Great post, Smoke! Thanks for your informed perspective.

Another similarity between Castro, Hitler, and Osama is that, as usual, the US is one of the only countries that is willing to go out of their way to try to stop or limit the power of these sons of bitches.

That being said, I don't think that it is appropriate for someone like Pat Robertson to call for someone's assassination as a Christian leader. His position should be used to raise the issues of these injustices and corruption and ask the government to consider action to stop it.
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Scary to some perhaps for being so blatantly outspoken, but I'd wager there are a whole lot of other folks who share the same sentiment but have trouble admitting it publically.
He's not scary because he's outspoken, he's scary because he has such an uninformed grasp of the real world and is willing to do real damage to further his agenda. Even scarier is the fact that so many people follow him.
People like him and Jerry Falwell are our bin Ladens.

For example, one of his reasons is that Venezuela is trying to further "communist infiltration" and "muslim extremism", which is nonsense.

Also, if you intend to defend this guy, recall that he also called for the nuclear bombing of the state department a while ago. Yeah, he seriously suggested using nuclear weapons against ourselves.
Uhhh....no.

Bin Laden has gone out and activity planned and carried out acts of terrorism. Where these guys are similar is suggesting that others be harmed to meet their own personal agenda. Here again the scope of which these people are pushing their agendas are far different. Not even in the same ballpark.
I would hope that struan is just trying to get a rise out of us by that remark...I don't think he's that far in left field (at least I hope not). I don't support Robertson or Falwell, but the comparison to Bin Laden is proposterous as you have implied, GZire.
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Great post, Smoke! Thanks for your informed perspective.

Another similarity between Castro, Hitler, and Osama is that, as usual, the US is one of the only countries that is willing to go out of their way to try to stop or limit the power of these sons of bitches.

That being said, I don't think that it is appropriate for someone like Pat Robertson to call for someone's assassination as a Christian leader. His position should be used to raise the issues of these injustices and corruption and ask the government to consider action to stop it.
Thank you very much ckf, i was shocked while i was reading through the first few posts, and felt i must include myself.


i agree, no Christian leader should call for the assassination of anyone. because before we know it, we'll turn into the muslims and start killing in the name of God.
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