It seems that the majority are OK with tasering a child. Yes she's hopped up and drunk as a skunk, but at what point is someone too small/young to be using a taser on them? What the hell, where does it stop, do you taser a 60# kid, or a 50# kid, why not stop until they are 40#?
I can understand that the officer more than likely used poor judgement in this case (without absolute details who knows?), but what the hell?
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Sorry man, I was modifying (i.e. deleting and re-entering the thread) the post and that's probably why you were getting those messages. I needed to add option# 3 since there were a lot of angry Z/G guys who wanted a piece of the parents.
If I had planned things ahead I would have put the option in for eldy to taser a cat. I'm slipping.
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Until you have had to fight a 13 year girl you will not be able to understand what it is like. It is not a fun spot to be in, I know! Let me say that they can be fast, bite, kick, claw, scratch, spit yell, and they know that if you hurt them you will get in trouble. I had to arrest one years ago and it was a fight. I wish I had a tazer, my only weapons were 357 magnum, baton and my fists. Imagine what would have happened if I hit her with my baton!
I would use a tazer on one in a minute if I had to.
Here is your test, you have someone that is a threat to themselves or someone else. You have to subdue them to prevent anyone from getting hurt. They are very combative and not willing to cooperate. Your choices start at non-lethal and escalate to lethal. That level can climb and lower very quickly, you have seconds to make a choice that other can have months or even years to review and make up their decision if you did the correct choice.
The person you have to subdue is high on drugs and is threatning to hurt others and herself, you have to stop her. She has already hurt some people before you got there.
Your choices are pressure point tactics, hand to hand combat, pepper spray, tazer, baton or duty pistol.
NEW YORK — A 9-year-old girl fatally stabbed an 11-year-old girl in the chest with a steak knife during a fight over a ball, authorities said.
The 9-year-old, a fourth-grader whose name wasn't released, was charged with manslaughter.
Police spokesman Paul J. Browne told The New York Times that he was "unaware of anyone younger implicated in such an act in New York City."
The victim, Queen Washington, 11, was pronounced dead at a hospital. Family members said the fifth-grader was a straight-A student who loved books, dancing and playing double Dutch jump rope.
"I don't understand how this could happen," Joyce Porter, Queen's grandmother, told the Times. She said Queen's mother had called her earlier that afternoon. "She told me, 'Queen is dead,"' Porter said, adding, "It was over a ball."
Queen's grandfather Earl Washington described her as the "star of the family. She was going places."
Relatives said the girls' mothers were best friends, and Queen had been invited to the 9-year-old's home in the East New York section of Brooklyn for a Memorial Day barbecue.
The girls had been playing together, but the 9-year-old's mother had stepped out to borrow something from a neighbor, police said.
By the time the mother returned, the 9-year-old had plunged the knife into Queen's chest, police said. Queen stumbled into the hallway and collapsed.
A spokesman for the Brooklyn district attorney's office said the case would go to family court because the girl is younger than 14.
Neighbors said the 9-year-old was a troubled child.
"She was a little thug," neighbor Diva McPhatter told the Daily News. "I always asked her to behave, but she was rude. She fought all the time. She was out of control. I'd confront her, but she'd just roll her eyes."
In 2001, Lionel Tate (search), 14, became the youngest person in modern U.S. history to be sentenced to life in prison, after being convicted of killing 6-year-old Tiffany Eunick (search) in Florida. He was 12 at the time of the killing in 1999.
He won a new trial on appeal and went free in January 2004 under a deal that placed him under house arrest for a year followed by probation for 10 years. Now 18, he was arrested May 23 on charges of holding up a pizza delivery man at gunpoint.
I think the use of force against children can be justified. We have to be honest with ourselves - given the number of people in the world, even if we say there is a one-in-a-million chance of a child being a murderer, that means there are dozens of childhood murderers out there in the US.
As with all decisions to use force, they cannot be taken lightly, and the people should avoid forming opinions based simply on a headline. There is always more to the story.
Getting tazered only hurts while you have the darts in you. The darts have barbs so that hurts. The real pain is when voltage is applied, but that stops when that ends.
You also have to understand that minors know that no matter what crime they commit, when they turn 18 their records are cleaned.
I picked up a boy at the skating rink one night, he had resisted arrest and attacked the deputy that worked at the skating rink. I was only the transporting officer for that case. On the way to the jail the guy said to me this is not the way to juvy. I said you are right, we are on our way to the adult jail. I said you forgot you had a birthday in juvy just before you got out. He looked at me and I said you are an adult now and he started crying in the back seat.
He had been in and out of the juvenile detention center many times already. His first adult crimes included disorderly conduct, tresspassing and felony resisting arrest and a few others I can't remember.
Not sure about elsewhere, but here before the cops are allowed to carry a taser they have to go through training which includes a 30s shock from a unit.
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