No, s0l, they are not. Simply cannot afford it. Most importantly, Lotus doesn't have the old man. Right now, Ferrari is it in F1. Today, money gets you there. And, speaking of money, what do you mean $800 million is nothing? Are you serious? Lee Iacocca pulled Ford out of racing at one time when the budget hit $30 million. No company has ever spent that much on a single team for a single season. You must be out of your mind to dish that kind of investment.
Guess who Lotus beat in 1978 and all those other years? Ferrari. Today, we have to "settle" for Lotus' road cars. This little firm doesn't have the money to re-enter F1 nor does it have the old man. The Elise will have to do until other things develop for my beloved company.
Nice history gard. I think Anne was a one time visitor... but I would like to say welcome as well.
Brit... but tell me this... is lotus in F1 now? Are they in indy? Both of your records say F1 and Indy. I havent seen them doing anything in either, recently. By your argument, Ferrari is the ultimate sports car... since they are winning F1 now... and the last win you claim for lotus was 1978.
800 million is nothing to be able to dominate F1, Ferrari even placed the top two positions in some F1 races... face it, ferrari is currently king of on road racing...
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Lee Iacocca pulled Ford out of racing at one time when the budget hit $30 million.
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That was a few decades ago now right? How much would that be in today's money? Just wondering
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Lee Iacocca pulled Ford out of racing at one time when the budget hit $30 million.
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That was a few decades ago now right? How much would that be in today's money? Just wondering
My, my, my....as some of you may recall, there have been posters here of some doubt who have flatly stated that they see no connection between buying a sport car from a company that hasn't earned its stripes in F1 and one like Lotus that has. I have stuck to my guns all along in telling you about my personal requirement about driving a sport car that has been built by champions at the highest level of racing -- and not buying an inferior sport car from a company that hasn't got the stones to see how good it is at that level. Keep that in mind because this post of mine -- right here, right now -- may be, considering what I've been telling everyone for months, the biggest post of all time on this board in more ways than one. Looks like everyone here will be interested to thrilled to mortified to find out which company has just hired Lotus for its engineering excellence derived from years of racing in Formula One.
Lotus has been hired by Nissan. Read on.
From Car and Driver Magazine: Lotus is once again in the U.S. Sports car limelight thanks to the introduction of the Elise. Whats next for this small car company based in Hethel, England? The Esprit replacement? Yes, but before that, we discovered that the company is busy with the upcoming Nissan supercar GT-R. Sources told us that Lotus has been hired to fine tune the car's handling that includes developing the suspension and steering. The prototype car, wearing an Infiniti G35 Coupe shell, has been spotted numerous times around Hethel this past year.
Nissan also has outsourced the development of the GT-R's engine to Cosworth, the noted race-engine builder. We hear Cosworth is massaging Nissan's VQ powerplant to produce about 450bhp. Early reports suggest that the 6-cylinder engine will be turbocharged.
How about that? I mean, <u>how about that</u>. Nissan goes to the Brits to purchase suspension expertise from Lotus and engine development expertise from Cosworth. Lotus and Cosworth, the two most famous names in British racing lore and two of the most famous racing names in the world. Ask yourself -- did Nissan go to Ferrari, the current F1 champion, for suspension work? No. Did Nissan go to Porsche for suspension work? No. Did Nissan go to GM for engine work? No. Has anyone here heard of Lotus hiring Nissan to help it with its suspension designs? LOL! But Nissan did go outside. Why is that, you may wonder? Because, my friends, as I said before, who would hire Infiniti engineers? No one, that's who. They just haven't got it.
In what may be a matter of a year or two, you may all be driving British cars with a Japanese badge!! It just doesn't get any better than this! A Lotus-designed G35. I'm going to pour myself a drink and light up a cigar! This just makes my day. Case closed.
Brit, I am not saying its not alot of money. 800mil is not pocket change obviously, but to totally dominate the highest level of racing?
Going fast costs money as I am quite sure you know. Ferrari (as a team) is the ultimate evidence of this.
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My, my, my....as some of you may recall, there have been posters here of some doubt who have flatly stated that they see no connection between buying a sport car from a company that hasn't earned its stripes in F1 and one like Lotus that has. I have stuck to my guns all along in telling you about my personal requirement about driving a sport car that has been built by champions at the highest level of racing -- and not buying an inferior sport car from a company that hasn't got the stones to see how good it is at that level. Keep that in mind because this post of mine -- right here, right now -- may be, considering what I've been telling everyone for months, the biggest post of all time on this board in more ways than one. Looks like everyone here will be interested to thrilled to mortified to find out which company has just hired Lotus for its engineering excellence derived from years of racing in Formula One.
Lotus has been hired by Nissan. Read on.
From Car and Driver Magazine: Lotus is once again in the U.S. Sports car limelight thanks to the introduction of the Elise. Whats next for this small car company based in Hethel, England? The Esprit replacement? Yes, but before that, we discovered that the company is busy with the upcoming Nissan supercar GT-R. Sources told us that Lotus has been hired to fine tune the car's handling that includes developing the suspension and steering. The prototype car, wearing an Infiniti G35 Coupe shell, has been spotted numerous times around Hethel this past year.
Nissan also has outsourced the development of the GT-R's engine to Cosworth, the noted race-engine builder. We hear Cosworth is massaging Nissan's VQ powerplant to produce about 450bhp. Early reports suggest that the 6-cylinder engine will be turbocharged.
How about that? I mean, <u>how about that</u>. Nissan goes to the Brits to purchase suspension expertise from Lotus and engine development expertise from Cosworth. Lotus and Cosworth, the two most famous names in British racing lore and two of the most famous racing names in the world. Ask yourself -- did Nissan go to Ferrari, the current F1 champion, for suspension work? No. Did Nissan go to Porsche for suspension work? No. Did Nissan go to GM for engine work? No. Has anyone here heard of Lotus hiring Nissan to help it with its suspension designs? LOL! But Nissan did go outside. Why is that, you may wonder? Because, my friends, as I said before, who would hire Infiniti engineers? No one, that's who. They just haven't got it.
In what may be a matter of a year or two, you may all be driving British cars with a Japanese badge!! It just doesn't get any better than this! A Lotus-designed G35. I'm going to pour myself a drink and light up a cigar! This just makes my day. Case closed.
Brit, I am not saying its not alot of money. 800mil is not pocket change obviously, but to totally dominate the highest level of racing?
Going fast costs money as I am quite sure you know. Ferrari (as a team) is the ultimate evidence of this.
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I would actually consider this a very awesome thing...the main thing that I have loved about the G35 has been its styling, and if Nissan has the cohones (if not the brains) to meld it with a true race-bred suspension and engine, then I'll snap one up in a heartbeat. Think of a Lotus Elise with better styling (IMHO), a much better engine, and 4 seats plus grocery-carrying ability to boot!
Seriously, given the inclinations of some of the members on this board, I can understand your enthusiasm about rubbing this in Brit, but I for one have never had anything against Lotus and would definitely welcome this development.
I was going to quote the same thing, brit. I saw that yesterday in one of my roomies rags.
I never said I didnt like lotus, I said I think theyre not the end all be all of cars you make them out to be. I think they can make cars that handle, but as far as power goes, I can understand why nissan chose another firm to design the engine.
I do stick with Ferrari is currently higher in the racing world, wether is be based on a god like driver, or the car itself.
How about that? I mean, <u>how about that</u>. Nissan goes to the Brits to purchase suspension expertise from Lotus and engine development expertise from Cosworth.
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You want to know something funny Brit? The Soviets went to England after WWII and came back with a Rolls jet engine. Based upon that help, the MiG's were the scourge of the Western world for the next 40 years.
Who knows, maybe Lotus is helping to make a car that will end up killing Lotus off.
"you will rue this day....well go on start ru-ing" Stewie Griffin
Lotus as been involved in the design of many cars, in fact many wheeled objects. I love the grocery shopping cart they designed.
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Here is a funny one;
Lotus Shopping Trolley (2000)
"The fundamental techniques of vehicle engineering apply to both sportscars and to all other vehicles including the humble shopping trolley. The requirements for a fine handling sportscar are both stability and agility in the driving experience. This can be a conflict but with clever, intelligent design you can find a perfect and balance between sporty handling and confidence inspiring stability."
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