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Old 09-14-2005, 09:34 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Those year Camaros basically have Vette engines in them. Any Z28 or SS will pretty much bitch slap a G.

They have a good large displacement engine.
the SS is the one that brought the LS1 engine.
Smoke, before you respond like that, check your facts. Here, let me help you. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=66170
(go down and read the "Fourth Generation" section)

Both the Z28 and SS have the LS-1 engine in them. The SS is not that much faster than a Z28, it only has 15hp more (305hp/Z28 and 320hp/SS). GZire is right, stock v stock, G35 will loose to either Z28 or SS. If you don't believe me Smoke, go and race a stock Z28 (the newer one) and get ready to be surprised .
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Those year Camaros basically have Vette engines in them. Any Z28 or SS will pretty much bitch slap a G.

They have a good large displacement engine.
the SS is the one that brought the LS1 engine.
Smoke, before you respond like that, check your facts. Here, let me help you. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=66170
(go down and read the "Fourth Generation" section)

Both the Z28 and SS have the LS-1 engine in them. The SS is not that much faster than a Z28, it only has 15hp more (305hp/Z28 and 320hp/SS). GZire is right, stock v stock, G35 will loose to either Z28 or SS. If you don't believe me Smoke, go and race a stock Z28 (the newer one) and get ready to be surprised .

oh dont worry, i would never race a V8 (unless its the older stang)

15 hp difference? ok, whats the time difference then?? i thought the SS stopped at 350 just like the firehawk did when they both retired from the market???????

even in gran turismo 4 it says 350
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Old 09-14-2005, 05:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Those year Camaros basically have Vette engines in them. Any Z28 or SS will pretty much bitch slap a G.

They have a good large displacement engine.
the SS is the one that brought the LS1 engine.
Smoke, before you respond like that, check your facts. Here, let me help you. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=66170
(go down and read the "Fourth Generation" section)

Both the Z28 and SS have the LS-1 engine in them. The SS is not that much faster than a Z28, it only has 15hp more (305hp/Z28 and 320hp/SS). GZire is right, stock v stock, G35 will loose to either Z28 or SS. If you don't believe me Smoke, go and race a stock Z28 (the newer one) and get ready to be surprised .

oh dont worry, i would never race a V8 (unless its the older stang)

15 hp difference? ok, whats the time difference then?? i thought the SS stopped at 350 just like the firehawk did when they both retired from the market???????

even in gran turismo 4 it says 350
I got beat by my Cousin's stang and it's not even a 5.0

He's got a '98 stang 4.6 liter and he added all kinds of mods to it (intake, exhaust, short throw sifter, 3-7-3's gearing). He only beat me by about 1/2 a car length.

This race was one week after I got the car. I'm better at using the clutch and I had no idea about the VDC button either. I bet I could take him if I add the intake+filter combination and take off my VDC.
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either way it was a spanking guys.
I think you did rather well. It's not the easiest thing to get the rear hooked up while putting the most power down in a 6MT. You do have the traction advantage at the launch since the muscle cars all have bad weight distribution (the more engine mods, the worse the distribution ). And his burn out surely screwed himself more. But that simply means you won as a driver. Congrats!
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dont worry about it, you shouldve pulled up to next to him and asked what his gas mileage is :P
OK, I have to put and end to this too.

17 city / 25 highway (2005 Mustang GT)
19 city / 26 highway (G35 Coupe)
19 city / 28 highway (2005 Z06 Corvette)

Don't you find it odd that a 5.7 liter V8 that puts out 405 hp and 400 tq gets BETTER gas milage than a Japanese engineered engine?

Hell, even the cheap POS Ford gets SLIGHTLY worse gas milage.

Oh hey, and you know what? You can get a 91 octane custom tune for the Mustang (it usually only uses 87 octane) and it gets 2 more MPG...which puts it AT PAR with the G35 Coupe. Funny...it's a V8.

Oops, forgot to mention that the 91 octane custom tune gives 15 to 20 hp also... (ok ok, so it needs a CAI to do this, but a CAI only costs $200).
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And his burn out surely screwed himself more.
Really??

Actually, slight wheel spin is advantageous for drag racing. Why? Because the time it takes to go from say 1k RPM to 4k RPM takes LONGER than STARTING at 4k RPM and waiting for your tires to hook up.

Of course, road racing is all about reaction time...
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And his burn out surely screwed himself more.
Really??

Actually, slight wheel spin is advantageous for drag racing. Why? Because the time it takes to go from say 1k RPM to 4k RPM takes LONGER than STARTING at 4k RPM and waiting for your tires to hook up.

Of course, road racing is all about reaction time...
I agree, but....he never said how much burning the guy did. You're right about "slight" wheel spin being advantageous, but too much is not. Well, the best way to take off is to be at the point where you ALMOST have wheel spin, but still have traction.
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dont worry about it, you shouldve pulled up to next to him and asked what his gas mileage is :P
OK, I have to put and end to this too.

17 city / 25 highway (2005 Mustang GT)
19 city / 26 highway (G35 Coupe)
19 city / 28 highway (2005 Z06 Corvette)

Don't you find it odd that a 5.7 liter V8 that puts out 405 hp and 400 tq gets BETTER gas milage than a Japanese engineered engine?

Hell, even the cheap POS Ford gets SLIGHTLY worse gas milage.

Oh hey, and you know what? You can get a 91 octane custom tune for the Mustang (it usually only uses 87 octane) and it gets 2 more MPG...which puts it AT PAR with the G35 Coupe. Funny...it's a V8.

Oops, forgot to mention that the 91 octane custom tune gives 15 to 20 hp also... (ok ok, so it needs a CAI to do this, but a CAI only costs $200).
its called displacement on demand, which means that those cars only run on 6 cylinders during regular driving. once the ecu realizes that you are slamming on the accelerator, all 8 cylinders kick in, and i would like to see what the mileage drops down to at that point. i know for sure the high powered chevy's brought/bring this, ford is too crappy to be able to work on such a project.

besides, the reason i stated that was because alexn said he believed it to be suped up. it's pretty clear to think a suped up car has to be getting even WORSE gas mileage than the stock counterpart.

i want to see how reliable these displacement on demand systems really are... in a few years we'll see.
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dont worry about it, you shouldve pulled up to next to him and asked what his gas mileage is :P
OK, I have to put and end to this too.

17 city / 25 highway (2005 Mustang GT)
19 city / 26 highway (G35 Coupe)
19 city / 28 highway (2005 Z06 Corvette)

Don't you find it odd that a 5.7 liter V8 that puts out 405 hp and 400 tq gets BETTER gas milage than a Japanese engineered engine?

Hell, even the cheap POS Ford gets SLIGHTLY worse gas milage.

Oh hey, and you know what? You can get a 91 octane custom tune for the Mustang (it usually only uses 87 octane) and it gets 2 more MPG...which puts it AT PAR with the G35 Coupe. Funny...it's a V8.

Oops, forgot to mention that the 91 octane custom tune gives 15 to 20 hp also... (ok ok, so it needs a CAI to do this, but a CAI only costs $200).
its called displacement on demand, which means that those cars only run on 6 cylinders during regular driving. once the ecu realizes that you are slamming on the accelerator, all 8 cylinders kick in, and i would like to see what the mileage drops down to at that point. i know for sure the high powered chevy's brought/bring this, ford is too crappy to be able to work on such a project.

besides, the reason i stated that was because alexn said he believed it to be suped up. it's pretty clear to think a suped up car has to be getting even WORSE gas mileage than the stock counterpart.

i want to see how reliable these displacement on demand systems really are... in a few years we'll see.
YEP, he's right! those milage numbers are based on granny driving lol. at full throttle the V8 will drain way more gas than our V6. who cares, they're american cars german engineering ROCKS! oh yea, and japs
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SmokeG305, I don't think the c5 Vettes have the on demand displacement feature. My buddy has a 2003 Z06 and has never mentioned anything about it (and he would know, he's more into his car than anyone I know). With all 8 cylinders firing, 5.7L, 405 HP, he still gets better gas milage than both our cars. It's a pushrod engine too, which totally made me reconsider my respect for the modern marvel that is over head cams...

What do you think about the 91 octane tune for the Stang increasing its fuel economy to be on par with the G?
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YEP, he's right! those milage numbers are based on granny driving lol. at full throttle the V8 will drain way more gas than our V6.
Well I can't argue with that, but my point is that if you *need* the fuel economy, it is at least possible.

Btw, your "it's just a crappy American car" attitude is so eighties. Check out JD Power's index of "avg number of problems per 100 cars." Ford is 2 places behind Acura and Honda, but something like 13 places *above* Nissan and Subaru. Ford's Lincoln brand is in 3rd place behind Lexus, beating even Nissan's high end brand Infiniti.
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Btw, here is the link:
"General Motors and Ford Motor Company Earn Record Number of Model Awards"
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/vds2005089.asp

Scroll down to see the chart I am talking about. Ford beats the crap out of Nissan and Ford's high end brand, Lincoln, beats Infiniti.

Like I said, that whole "American cars are unreliable" trash is straight out of the eighties...I admit, it was true then, but times change, my friends.
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SmokeG305, I don't think the c5 Vettes have the on demand displacement feature. My buddy has a 2003 Z06 and has never mentioned anything about it (and he would know, he's more into his car than anyone I know). With all 8 cylinders firing, 5.7L, 405 HP, he still gets better gas milage than both our cars. It's a pushrod engine too, which totally made me reconsider my respect for the modern marvel that is over head cams...

What do you think about the 91 octane tune for the Stang increasing its fuel economy to be on par with the G?
the GM commercial shows the engine running on only 6 cylinders... and then they show a vette... if the 02 SS's brought the indemand displacement, im pretty sure they would include thier economy system into their best vehicle by 03.

its ridiculous that ford and GM are the only 2 companies that still build push rod cars. OHC is the best, especially it's dual , sounds like to me you've been brainwashed by the american car industries.

concerning the tune: EVERY car with a better intake system will breathe better, which would make a richer mix of gas and air, which at the same time improves gas mileage. an intake system will make any car increase it's gas mileage by far, american, jap, german, italian, french, russian. running higher octane increases gas mileage for most cars as well. i know, i use both.
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Like I said, that whole "American cars are unreliable" trash is straight out of the eighties...I admit, it was true then, but times change, my friends.
you DO realize JDM power and associates is an AMERICAN company that was meant to push forward the american car popularity within our own shores???


now, its true, american companies make DECENT sport cars... DECENT. but in overall vehicles, give me a break.


american cars are built crappy for a reason, they are meant to last a few years, break down, and then you buy another one. simple as that. in contrast, the average japanese cannot afford such expenses, therefore they DEMAND a reliable car to last well after 100k miles. it's economics my friend. i'd much rather spend 30k+ on an infiniti G35, than spend it on a crappy chrysler 300C which costs the SAME.
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if you're such an advocate for american cars... then go to an american car website!


at the end of the day, you're not going to change my perspective, im not going to change yours, so there.


it's all a matter of taste



btw, i'd rather push a jap than ride in a domestic.
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