1st If you have to worry about 100-200 a month you shouldn't be worrying about your choice of car. You should be in a honda accord saving money for your future. I'm not saying that 100-200 a month doesn't make a large impact in the future, Just that you may have better things to worry about then having fun in your car and looking good.
2nd If you drive both cars and find out which you like better....100-200 a month isn't going to change your opinion about a car.
I'm not near as good with words as you thats what i was trying to say...............nice post basically sums it up
They use some sort of special filter as well. There was a lot of skeptcism at first, but by now most people are convinced that Bimmer knows their stuff. They originally derived this concept from F1/racing motors. They derived that a racing motor with no oil change endures an equivalent to 20k+ miles. Or something to that effect from what I remember reading.
It's an interesting concept certainly. However keep in mind that last year the F1 engines only had to live for two races and before that one. I find it interesting that they are willing to go that long on a production car that doesn't have a life span beyond several hours. That being said, if they are comfortable to offer it, then so be it, they certainly have results to back their decision up.
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Again, not much credit is given Bimmer engineers, but this is the bleeding edge of technology. I've had several Bimmers that have gone 10k without an oil change without one single problem. I even had the oil sent to a lab to check for myself once and they returned it with a stamp of approval. Obviously, BMW wouldn't be doing it if it was going to lead to failure.
Behind Mercedes/McLaren and Ferrari, BMW is definitely up there in F1 and right alongside Renault who was the F1 champs for 2 years running. I don't think it's ever about this engineer is better than that one, it's about how much money these guys are willing to dump into their programs. At that level these guys are all genius level peeps.
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........Regarding warranties, all manufacturers (the auto industry included) have to factor in the cost of "future" warranties the year the "good" is sold. So, of course, this "cost" is factored into every MSRP. What's really interesting, IMHO, is that Audi/MB got rid of their "free" maintenance yet their prices have not gone down respectively. Now that's a rip off. Pure profit to the companies. You don't see people up in arms over it though, which is puzzling.
Must be good marketing, just like Nissan killing the Brembo brakes on the 05's upping the hp by 10 (while reducing torque) and charging more money.
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To be factual, BMW just bought the F1 company (Sauber) and slapped their name on it. Which is the most "non-sporting" way to get into F1 and take credit for success. But hey Mercedes didn't really build the motors they said they did, Illmore did. So I guess it's nothing new.
Toyota has done it from the ground up. Meaning they built everything from the floor up, but you have to figure they're pouring more money into the F1 program than most countries around the world have budgets.
I read in a Bimmer mag, which they send owners every 2 months, that a F1 motor goes through stress equivalent to something like 20k road miles in one race without an oil change. I guess spinning at 19k rpms and constantly reving throughout it's rev band is what does it. That's why reliability is such a big factor in racing. Sure many teams can pump out the power, but the question is how reliable can they make it.
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how is it that BMW derived f1 motor technology to their entry/mid-scale sedans? you're saying a $$$$ F1 car's guts are the similar to a $40K car? how is the filter special?
being on bimmer forums for a while, this is the first i've heard of it. please explain further.
All I see here is a bunch of sandy vaginas.....anything either says you argue just to argue....if your gonna continue lets get back to the original points here.... thanks
more people buy bmw's because of
A they are german and not japanese ( some people still hate on japanese engineering)
B BMW is a status symbol... many of the buyers don't value performance enough to make a huge decision in their purchase... so they base it on the ride quality, name, looks, and driving feel.
so the general public is just like many magazines.... they will chose bmw from past biasas and because it is BMW. The 335i is a great, as the G37 may be also.....but.... people rank bmw higher then infiniti automatically so the car has to be that much better towin them over.
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I had a down payment on a G37 back in August but as soon as I drove my Z4 I was sold. Infiniti doesn't offer anything with even close to the same performance as what I got, that is why I got a BMW.
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I had a down payment on a G37 back in August but as soon as I drove my Z4 I was sold. Infiniti doesn't offer anything with even close to the same performance as what I got, that is why I got a BMW.
really? it seems stock Z4 3.0s are around mid 13s....
I had a down payment on a G37 back in August but as soon as I drove my Z4 I was sold. Infiniti doesn't offer anything with even close to the same performance as what I got, that is why I got a BMW.
No looksie at the S2000?
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how is it that BMW derived f1 motor technology to their entry/mid-scale sedans? you're saying a $$$$ F1 car's guts are the similar to a $40K car? how is the filter special?
being on bimmer forums for a while, this is the first i've heard of it. please explain further.
It's a filter that allows the oil to be free of particles for 15k miles. It isn't the F1 motor. The filter isn't for sale and only BMW dealers have them, so you can't do oil changes for yourself. It's the technology that's "derived" from F1 racing. I never said they're giving you the F1 motor in a $40k car.
Umm... you know that Honda has offered their VTEC (F1 derived technology) in their $15k Civics since the 90's right???
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It's a filter that allows the oil to be free of particles for 15k miles. It isn't the F1 motor. The filter isn't for sale and only BMW dealers have them, so you can't do oil changes for yourself. It's the technology that's "derived" from F1 racing. I never said they're giving you the F1 motor in a $40k car.
Umm... you know that Honda has offered their VTEC (F1 derived technology) in their $15k Civics since the 90's right???
i guess i was asking for a more detailed response. what makes bmw engines so relatable to F1 that makes it so durable between oil change intervals? yes varibale valve timing tech and lift was hondas but the relation between that tech and the ones they used for F1 are relatable how?
i think mobil 1 has an oil filter that lasts 10K...i don't know if i would want to test it to that extend regardless of their reccomendation.
