i conceede they are professional journalists but i think the individuals' test drive is what should count and should be given creedance to. i see car mags as fun and informative in that they give information about the car's specs as well as the writer's opinionated flair. but i feel my deciding factor of what car trumps over another is left on my own (and a salesman's willingness to let me be free...lol).
of course i would take an auto journalists opinion over a random noob on the web asking about hp gains in fuel additives. my point is as impartial as they try to be, they are human too where their heart strings are pulled by certain cars...and in that respect their opinions should only be taken as that...just opinions.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the above. Everyone should make their decisions based on their "own" opinions/feelings and yes not everything jounarlists say is gospel and should be taken with some objective grain of salt.
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I'm surprised it's only several weeks. Unless you have buying power, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more like several months.
Well, as long as it's not an import it doesn't take as long as you think. Remember they're turning out new cars in the hundreds per week. In Germany it can take as short as a week for delivery for a German car. Imports you're on a different level.
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BTW yes those car mag guys do see and hear a lot more than us, but guys like Sam Mitani (R&T) are friggen nuts. When someone says the RX-8 is the best looking car to ever come out of Japan, you know some BS is up.
GZ, you've said this a few times already... I just have to say this about it. Obviously, everyone should know that that statement is a subjective one from one individual. Unless your name is Corky and you just got off the short bus, you know that it's a subjective opinion. One you read, go huh???!!!, and move on.
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and yet it comes with the territory on a luxury brand. after all, the 3 series is not truly twice the car of say, a honda accord EX - though the price tag begs to differ. with cars it seems the more you spend the less you get dollar for dollar. much like the law of diminishing returns.
but they are options... i am sure that most of us on here would opt out of the $5,000 19" bmw wheels - and instead take that cash to HRE for a nice set of 3 piece rollers... my whole point is that, ceteris peribus, the 335i would win the customer over with the options. if i am buying a brand new lux car, i want it to be mine... something unique that i put together myseldf
agreed, and it has been a good strategy thus far. most especially for Nissan. but i do think that infiniti will have to deviate a bit from that plan if they are going to compete at all with the germs.
Hey what did you do with 7fifty??? Go bring him back. We don't need your psuedo-intellectual deh deh deh here. OK?
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Well next time give us some warning. Or ease into it.
i decided there'd be a new 750 for each day. one day serious and thought provoking, one day antagonistic, one day manic and jovial, one day incredibly sexy. ok that last one is every day, but you get the idea.
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for those that just look at "base price".....please remember that g37 with any options worth having is going to run you over 42k. A 335i w/ similar options will run you 47k. the difference of 5k in payments is virtually nothing for those that are familiar with financing.
for those that just look at "base price".....please remember that g37 with any options worth having is going to run you over 42k. A 335i w/ similar options will run you 47k. the difference of 5k in payments is virtually nothing for those that are familiar with financing.
A couple of points...
"comparably equipped", the Bimmer is about $8K more MSRP than the G37, not $5K (Infiniti with 6MT + Premium, Trunk Mat, Splash guards; BMW with Sport PKG, Convenience PKG, Heated Seats, Comfort Access, Metallic Paint, Sat Radio, Ipod Connector = $47,695 vs $39,765). AND the Infiniti dealers seem more willing to negotiate a discount where I live (Dallas). Out the door (including TTL), comparably equipped, my difference was about $10,300 after negotiating extensively on both cars.
Now Ten Large, may be "virtually nothing for those familiar with financing" or it may be the difference between A) watching one movie at the theater or B) installing a nice Home Theater system with projector. (For some people, it simply buys an extra 500 lap dances at your local club.) You make the call but at any rate, on a 4-year 5% note, it's about $235/month.
I actually like the Bimmer better, but not by ten grand.
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"comparably equipped", the Bimmer is about $8K more MSRP than the G37, not $5K (Infiniti with 6MT + Premium, Trunk Mat, Splash guards; BMW with Sport PKG, Convenience PKG, Heated Seats, Comfort Access, Metallic Paint, Sat Radio, Ipod Connector = $47,695 vs $39,765). AND the Infiniti dealers seem more willing to negotiate a discount where I live (Dallas). Out the door (including TTL), comparably equipped, my difference was about $10,300 after negotiating extensively on both cars.
Now Ten Large, may be "virtually nothing for those familiar with financing" or it may be the difference between A) watching one movie at the theater or B) installing a nice Home Theater system with projector. (For some people, it simply buys an extra 500 lap dances at your local club.) You make the call but at any rate, on a 4-year 5% note, it's about $235/month.
I actually like the Bimmer better, but not by ten grand.
Only an idiot would buy a BMW....80% of people who buy them lease...making the difference in price about $80-$100 a month
Actually, given the difference in residual values, the lease on the G37 will be around $200+/month cheaper on a 36 month/36,000 mi lease lease with no money down after TTL/fees are rolled in. (Around $600-$650 for the G37, likely around $850 or more for the 335i). If you have to spend an extra $200+/month for the rest of your life due to the need to lease ("only an idiot" would do otherwise), then it gets expensive indeed ($200/month invested at a reasonable 8% return nets you about $300K after 30 years of investing). That's a pretty steep price to pay for BMW cache. Again, I like the Bimmer better, but let's not kid ourselves that the price difference is "negligible" to most people.
Actually, given the difference in residual values, the lease on the G37 will be around $200+/month cheaper on a 36 month/36,000 mi lease lease with no money down after TTL/fees are rolled in. (Around $600-$650 for the G37, likely around $850 or more for the 335i). If you have to spend an extra $200+/month for the rest of your life due to the need to lease ("only an idiot" would do otherwise), then it gets expensive indeed ($200/month invested at a reasonable 8% return nets you about $300K after 30 years of investing). That's a pretty steep price to pay for BMW cache. Again, I like the Bimmer better, but let's not kid ourselves that the price difference is "negligible" to most people.
i think looksfast said in another thread that he was offered $700/month on the 335i w/ 0 down.
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Actually, given the difference in residual values, the lease on the G37 will be around $200+/month cheaper on a 36 month/36,000 mi lease lease with no money down after TTL/fees are rolled in. (Around $600-$650 for the G37, likely around $850 or more for the 335i). If you have to spend an extra $200+/month for the rest of your life due to the need to lease ("only an idiot" would do otherwise), then it gets expensive indeed ($200/month invested at a reasonable 8% return nets you about $300K after 30 years of investing). That's a pretty steep price to pay for BMW cache. Again, I like the Bimmer better, but let's not kid ourselves that the price difference is "negligible" to most people.
Look at threads around here....they are trying to get near 700 a month for a G37 and that's with 2k down....BMW have better lease deals because their cars hold their values better. I got 700 a month because i was a return customer...the "regular deal was 3k down and 660 a month..not bad. Oh and remember with your purchase theory that if ANYTHING goes wrong after the warranty is up...your 8% return and investment theory just went out the wndow.
Look at threads around here....they are trying to get near 700 a month for a G37 and that's with 2k down....BMW have better lease deals because their cars hold their values better. I got 700 a month because i was a return customer...the "regular deal was 3k down and 660 a month..not bad. Oh and remember with your purchase theory that if ANYTHING goes wrong after the warranty is up...your 8% return and investment theory just went out the wndow.
I commend you if you were able to get a 335i coupe with Sport, Premium, ipod, Sat radio, Heated seats, Comfort access with truly zero down for $700/month including all fees and TT&L. Well done. The best I can do, using BMW Financial Services base money factor (.00235, not marked up at all) and their own 58% residual is about $811/month in Texas (includes about $89/month in sales tax). This includes about a $1000 discount from MSRP in the cap cost. Getting down to $700/month would require about a $3000 discount off MSRP. My dealers will not even discuss such a discount on a 335i coupe right now. Congrats if yours provided it. On the Infiniti, I can get about $1,700 off plus a $500 conquest bonus. Then using the same money factor (widely available in the market) and the G37 residual of 62%, I can get the G37 for (truly) zero down and a payment of precisely $593/month. I'm not saying you didn't get your deal, I'm just saying I can't come close to it on a car equipped the way I want it.
Regarding BMW cars holding their value better, that is not what the banks think (including BMW Financial Services). I agree that it was my impression, too. But the banks use 58% residual on the Bimmer and 62% on the G37 after 3 years/36K. Go figure.
I'm not sure how the warranty comes into play since I was comparing a lease to a lease...any savings from purchasing the G37 and keeping it would be in addition to the $300K nest egg involved in the lease difference.
By the way, if you can get me that deal on the 335i coupe, I'll take it and slide you a c-note for your time.
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I commend you if you were able to get a 335i coupe with Sport, Premium, ipod, Sat radio, Heated seats, Comfort access with truly zero down for $700/month including all fees and TT&L. Well done. The best I can do, using BMW Financial Services base money factor (.00235, not marked up at all) and their own 58% residual is about $811/month in Texas (includes about $89/month in sales tax). This includes about a $1000 discount from MSRP in the cap cost. Getting down to $700/month would require about a $3000 discount off MSRP. My dealers will not even discuss such a discount on a 335i coupe right now. Congrats if yours provided it. On the Infiniti, I can get about $1,700 off plus a $500 conquest bonus. Then using the same money factor (widely available in the market) and the G37 residual of 62%, I can get the G37 for (truly) zero down and a payment of precisely $593/month. I'm not saying you didn't get your deal, I'm just saying I can't come close to it on a car equipped the way I want it.
Regarding BMW cars holding their value better, that is not what the banks think (including BMW Financial Services). I agree that it was my impression, too. But the banks use 58% residual on the Bimmer and 62% on the G37 after 3 years/36K. Go figure.
I'm not sure how the warranty comes into play since I was comparing a lease to a lease...any savings from purchasing the G37 and keeping it would be in addition to the $300K nest egg involved in the lease difference.
By the way, if you can get me that deal on the 335i coupe, I'll take it and slide you a c-note for your time.
That deal was because i was a return customer off of a lease...my wife's 330i came due on Dec 31st. They give you a bit of incentive to get into another BMW...especially when you are planning to go to the Benz dealer across the street.
