highly doubt that man. in order for the vette to compete with a ferrari the interior would have to be totally upgraded and plush, the ride quality would have to be superb. and that would put it in the league of a Ferrari. and im meaning close in price.
and no one in their right mind would buy a vette thats closely price to a ferrari over a ferrari.
the average owner of a vette has an income of around 50-70k. you are able to afford a vette at that price but not a ferrari. if that was the case you would even see more Z06's on the road
a vette that cost 100k is plain stupid. you couldnt get me to buy one. and not many other will. not when you can get a 911 turbo for 120k or an even faster Nissan GTR for 80k
oh and adding, i hate that the vette is starting to look more and more like a ferraris. the 2013 vette looks just like one. which is sad b/c chevy need to stay in their own lane not copy someone else
highly doubt that man. in order for the vette to compete with a ferrari the interior would have to be totally upgraded and plush, the ride quality would have to be superb. and that would put it in the league of a Ferrari. and im meaning close in price.
and no one in their right mind would buy a vette thats closely price to a ferrari over a ferrari.
the average owner of a vette has an income of around 50-70k. you are able to afford a vette at that price but not a ferrari. if that was the case you would even see more Z06's on the road
a vette that cost 100k is plain stupid. you couldnt get me to buy one. and not many other will. not when you can get a 911 turbo for 120k or an even faster Nissan GTR for 80k
oh and adding, i hate that the vette is starting to look more and more like a ferraris. the 2013 vette looks just like one. which is sad b/c chevy need to stay in their own lane not copy someone else
Ok, so let's look at this. I'll start with the GT-R comment. There isn't one in production yet, so anything that is stated about that car, at this point, is speculation, and void. The 911 Turbo can't run with a 'Vette on the track. That's why it's in the GT class. 2013 is 5 years away. Again, speculation, and guessing. There's probably not even a clay model of that car, yet. It's a drawing on a sheet of paper.
I'm all about numbers,and facts. Show me your source for the demographics of the 'Vette owner. Are we talking new buyer, or pre-owned buyer? Different markets, different demographics. And I'm just guessing, but I think your numbers are low.
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If Chevy kicks everything up a notch in the car, and refines it, it'll be on the same field as anything coming out of Germany, or Italy.
EVERYTHING means EVERYTHING, right? So what happens if you continue on the path that Chevy has done with the 'Vette (standard model to Z06 to the Lingenfelter,Callaway,etc), and what Porsche has done with the 911 (Carrera/Targa to the TT and the GT3), and make a step up from the Z06? What's so stupid about that? Bet you'd sell a few.
I also disagree with your statement that nobody in their right mind who could afford a Ferrari would drive a 'Vette. It happens all the time already. Crank everything up a notch in the 'Vette, along with the price, and you're still going to sell them.
There's a reason that 'Vettes have been around since 1953. Not even Porsche and the 911 can say that. They were here long before you were, and I'll take a guess that they'll be here long after we're both gone.
Ok, so let's look at this. I'll start with the GT-R comment. There isn't one in production yet, so anything that is stated about that car, at this point, is speculation, and void. The 911 Turbo can't run with a 'Vette on the track. That's why it's in the GT class. 2013 is 5 years away. Again, speculation, and guessing. There's probably not even a clay model of that car, yet. It's a drawing on a sheet of paper.
I'm all about numbers,and facts. Show me your source for the demographics of the 'Vette owner. Are we talking new buyer, or pre-owned buyer? Different markets, different demographics. And I'm just guessing, but I think your numbers are low.
Back to my posting, you'll notice that I said:
EVERYTHING means EVERYTHING, right? So what happens if you continue on the path that Chevy has done with the 'Vette (standard model to Z06 to the Lingenfelter,Callaway,etc), and what Porsche has done with the 911 (Carrera/Targa to the TT and the GT3), and make a step up from the Z06? What's so stupid about that? Bet you'd sell a few.
I also disagree with your statement that nobody in their right mind who could afford a Ferrari would drive a 'Vette. It happens all the time already. Crank everything up a notch in the 'Vette, along with the price, and you're still going to sell them.
There's a reason that 'Vettes have been around since 1953. Not even Porsche and the 911 can say that. They were here long before you were, and I'll take a guess that they'll be here long after we're both gone.
what do you mean there isnt one in production yet. you do live on planet earth right. they are out in Japan. there is a new video in one of the other threads where edmunds get the GT-R to do 0-60 in 3.3 secs and 1/4 in 11.6 trapping 121mph
a 911 turbo cant run with a vette? what planet do you live on?
and if you honestly think that if someone is looking at a ferrari that is equally priced with a vette and they would pick the vette you are smoking some good shit. matter of fact. let me have some of wha tyou are burning
who cares if the vette has been here longer than the porsche. the vette is still chasing the porsche as it has been the long standing bench mark until the new GTR.
Although I agree that the Vette will continue to be the "bang for the buck" car in it's segment, I disagree with the part about it beating out Ferrari's and such.
No matter what GM does, the Vette will never shake it's rep. The Vette actually has a longer history than most Ferrari's do and the C5-R and C6-R's have been dominating their class in racing for quite some time now, but it has not translated into the status symbol the likes of Ferraris/Porsche/etc., unlike the same manufacturers I just mentioned.
It's a stima that GM will find extremely difficult to ever change. Remember the Vette was pretty much created (originally) by GM by stuffing a large small block V8 into a reltaively mild roadster chassis. Unlike the "engineered" cars from Ferrari/etc.
Since most people with wealth don't buy Ferrari's and Lambo's for their pure performance, rather for it's "status" symbol, the Vette will possibly never change that in peoples' psychies.
That said, this killer Vette will undoubtedly sell. Why? Because those who can't afford the Ferrari's/Lambo/etc. will flock to this car for 2 reasons:
1. they can't afford the status symbols
2. now they can say that they can "hang" with the supercars
But I'd argue that they'll only "hang" in performance only and probably not in the status symbol dept.
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so at 3100 pounds with 620 hp you guys are saying the GTR will still be faster? stop swinging from Nissan's balls for a second, the ZR1 would smoke a GTR! the gtr does the 1/4 in the high 11's VS. the ZR1 in the high 10's.
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so at 3100 pounds with 620 hp you guys are saying the GTR will still be faster? stop swinging from Nissan's balls for a second, the ZR1 would smoke a GTR! the gtr does the 1/4 in the high 11's VS. the ZR1 in the high 10's.
yeah for 20k plus more. not worth it the 20k-40k price increase. and im sure the ride quality is worse than a z06
i'd stick with the GTR, or for a price of around 100k plus id rather have the 911 than the chevy
with the extra 20-40k for a ZR-1 id rather tune the GT-R the way Mine's would and smoke the ZR-1. besides the technology, amenities, ride quality and interior will be much better in the GTR
yeah for 20k plus more. not worth it the 20k-40k price increase. and im sure the ride quality is worse than a z06
i'd stick with the GTR, or for a price of around 100k plus id rather have the 911 than the chevy
with the extra 20-40k for a ZR-1 id rather tune the GT-R the way Mine's would and smoke the ZR-1. besides the technology, amenities, ride quality and interior will be much better in the GTR
and it'd be 20k less than the 911 turbo and be faster than that too! what's the point? did you read the whole article? it's going to be an impressive car...
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Tom Wallace, vehicle line executive of Performance Cars, described driving the ZR1 as simply awesome. "It's fast and refined," he confided, adding that it has "a soft clutch, great midrange torque, compliant ride and brakes that don't squeal." He alluded to an expectation that the ZR1 would beat a Ferrari F430. Not just talk, as Tom races competitively.
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as far as the interior comments, the GTR interior looks like trash. we've already been over that. c6 interior is not the best, but it looks better than what i've seen of the gtr.
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^^^ Regarding interiors and all that. What did you expect for cars that are the "bang for the buck". If you want everything, put down your money, wait 2 years and get a Ferrari already.
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