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Old 10-20-2003, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Buying Falken Azenis

As I may have mentioned here before, I'm looking for new tires to replace the all-season tires I have. I need something better for autoX []
I've been trying to choose between the Falkzen Azenis and Kumho Ecsta Supra; I was leaning towards Kumho because I've used them before and they have sizes larger than 17". My thinking goes like this:
1) I want wider tires than the stock 215s
2) If I get wider tires, I'll probably need wider rims
3) If I get new rims, I might as well get 18s
4) If I get new rims, I'll have 2 sets
5) If I have 2 sets, I might as well get race tires and swap them off for autoX
which leaves me back with the all-seasons as my daily drivers. Which is fine, I guess, but less fun []

So at an event yesterday, I met a 350Z guy who has 245/45/17 Azenis on his car that he's selling. I'm thinking that if he asks a good price, then I can get those, keep my rims, and put off this whole decision for a while. The only problem is that I don't know if 245s will fit on my stock sedan 17x7 rims (Falken's website says you need 8"). Does anyone know? If I need new rims anyway, then I'm back to the initial problem.

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Old 10-20-2003, 12:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Okay, one more questions:
Am I correct in assuming I should go to 18s if I get new rims? What's the advantage of larger-diameter rims? I only care about autocrossing and daily driving; I have no interest in buying tires or rims for looks.


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I don't think so.

Sorry in advance, too busy to pretty it up, but here's some cut and paste from my G35 sedan wheel and tire research notes that may help:
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Sedan fitments according to Discount Tire Co:

WIDTH / OFFSET / SIZE

6.5 +30/+50 205/215
7.0 +30/+50 205/215/225/235
7.5 +33/+50 205/215/225/235
8.0 +38/+50 215/225/235/245
8.5 +45 235/245

REAR ONLY
9.0 +55 245/255

Q.) Using 7.0 as an example: Is the "+30/+50" numbering the minimum/maximum offset for that wheel width? For 205 v. 235 wide tires, which end of the offset scale should one lean towards?

A.) Most availability will be right smack in the middle at +40. When only using a narrow 7" a 35 is nice as it pushes outwards towards the fender lip for a more aggressive stance

Q.) So, if I put an 18" 7.5 +40 on the rear, will it fits well? Or will the rear wheel turn out to be too skinnier look?

A.) 18x7.5 +40 on a sedan? It will bring the assembly out around 3/4" farther than stock for a much better look.

Q.) If you stick with the stock size (215/55R17) then you have three choices only and theyre all the OEM tires:

Goodyear Eagle GS-D (summer performance)
Goodyear Eagle RS-A (all-season performance)
Bridgestone Turanza EL42 (all-season touring)

The best alternative size is 235/50R17. It fits the stock 17x7 rims, is nearly the same diameter, and has more tire choices available (though still not a stellar selection). Second best size-wise would be 225/50R17 or 225/55R17 these will have some speedometer/odometer variation, though the actual tire selection is a little broader.

Or you can get aftermarket rims and go to a different wheel size. If youre trying to figure out what sizes might work, this Tire Size Calculator will be a useful tool: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Q.) Will coupe 18 wheels fit on sedan?
Q.) I have a G35 Sedan with the 18 Coupe wheels & tires 245/45 rear and 225/45 front, I like how it looks rear but theres a gap in front that I dont like too much. Anyone with a Sedan with the OEM 18? Any recommendation of what springs I can use? I dont want any scraping and ubbing problems then.

A.) Coupe Wheels will fit fine without lowering. The lower you go you will run into rubbing. I put my 18 Coupe wheels on my Dads sedan. We have to roll the lips on the back because its a little too close for comfort. We went with the lowest drop for the G so far, 1.75 Sprint Suspension Springs. Looks damn good though. 9 wide on the sedan will fit without any wheel well mods. Giovanna has 19x9 wheels on their lowered sedan. In the Tampa area, a sedan has 20x9 wheels on all four corners with no wheel well mods. The key, is offset. The offset of the 18-inch wheels on the coupes with brembos is +30mm front and rear.

Q.) I have the G35 Sedan with Sport suspension. Originally was going to get 225/45/18 tires and 7.5 wheels, but not much selection in stock in that tire size. Two different people suggested 245/45/18. Anyway, in a moment of trigger happiness I ordered a full set of 245/45/18 tires with 8.5 rims (+45 offset). But now, a couple of hours later, Im hoping they fit OK. Ive read that some people have this same setupbut Im getting the post-purchase heebie jeebies and hope these tires wont show up and not fit in the front. Basically, they are going to be an extra 19mm wide on both the inside and outside of the wheel

A.) Would have fit all day long. We had that on a sedan here, and he now has 19s. It was a great fit and no issues...even when he dropped it. Theres more than a few sedans out there with 245/40/19s on a 19x8 or 19x8.5 with a 35 to 38mm backspace that look really good with totally stock suspension and no rubbing.

Q.) Whats the largest size tires & wheels you can mount on the sedan without any problems, 225-45-18?

A1.) Enkei 17"x8" w/ Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 255/45/17, with 2 passengers I had no problems and with a loaded trunk I didn't either. There's enough clearance for me to lower it 2" and still have no problems. I think I might go the 1.1 route with the Eibachs though.

A2.) I have 245/35/20's on my sedan and it's lowered with Eibach's. That's probably max as far as wheel diameter and overall tire diameter. As far as different widths, I'm not sure, but mine are really close with 245's.

A3.) http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=5&o=&fpart=1:
Front 18 X 8.5 245/40/ZR18 Potenza S-03 Pole Position
Rear 18 X 9.5 275/35/ZR18 Potenza S-03 Pole Position
front offset was +37 rear offset was +55

A4.) I know someone with 19" on their Sedan Front 19x8.5 245-35-19 Rear 19x10 265-30-19

A5.) Ok, I did my wheel and tire buying after a ton of research. My goal's were, rims have to weigh less than oem and they have to have a 45mm offset so I could toy with wheel spacers if needed to stuff the fattest possible tire in the wheel well's without rubbing on either the suspension or the fender lips. I'm running 245/40-18" all the way around. In the front I have 2mm clearance from the suspension, If I use my H&R wheel spacers I think I might be able to stuff a 255 tire in the front. In the rear with the 45mm offset rims I can run a 255 tire no problem, could run a 265 tire no problem to, except a 265 tire should not be run on a 8" rim. If someone was willing to pay big $$ they'd likely be able to find a rim setup with a high offset and 9" rear's. In any event when these tires need to be replaced I'm going to run 245's in the front, but upgrade to 255's in the rear. My own testing confirms the fact that the car should have been equipped oem with a staggered setup.

A6.) VDC is okay as long as you put 4 of the same size tires on all four corners, don't stagger the tires on the sedan (like they do on the coupe). For speedometer/odometer, pay attention to the tire diameter, and keep it as close as possible to the stock size. 235/50R17 and 235/45R18 are just about perfect. 225/55R17 and 225/45R18 are not as close, but still within allowable tolerances. Infiniti officially says 225 is the widest you should go on the front. I figure 235 is still okay. 245 is pushing it, but I see some others are doing that -- don't know what would happen if you hit a hard bump with the steering wheel fully turned with a tire that wide, though. The only catch with 235/45R18, is that the tire selection is as limited as (if not worse) than the stock 215/55R17. Tire Rack recommends 235/50R17 for 17" rims, and 225/45R18 for 18" rims for our sedans. There are plenty of good performance tire choices available in these sizes.

Q.) What do the stock sedan wheels weight (the 17s)?

A.) The 6-Spoke wheels are 21.5 lbs., the 5-spoke are 23lbs each.

Q.) Can anyone suggest a good online retailer for wheels?

Discounttire.com
Tirerack.com
Superbuytires.com
Wheelmax.com
Spyeng.com
Import-store.com
www.bulletproofautomotive.com
www.mayawheels.com
www.maido.com
www.hrewheels.com
wheelsboutique.com
www.importhookup.com
www.gruppe-s.com
http://www.forperformance.com/wheels.html
www.value-caraudio.com
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Good luck. As you can see, I'm still trying to figure what I want to do.


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Thanks, dholly! I appreciate it. I'll read through all that when I'm not at work too [], but I bet it will help a lot.

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Old 10-20-2003, 11:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Stru,

Remember, I put 255/45/17's on mine with an 8 inch rim. All the research I've done indicates the max for the stock rims is 235 width. Believe me, I've been looking at the FA's as well and the best fit I can possibly find is the one you mention, but on my 8" rim. Because of that, I'm going to have to wait until my F1's wear down a bit more. They're holding up pretty well despite the punishment I put them through.

As far as 18's go, don't do it. You want to go lighter for autocross and good autoX tires are hard to find in 18 inch sizes. You'll be glad you stuck with 17s. Let me know if you need more info.

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Thanks, lead. I think you're right--people say 18s get you more rubber on the ground, but the math doesn't come out that way. Sucks that I have 17s that are too narrow, though...what should I go for? 17x8? 17x8.5? I was thinking that 245s in the front and 275 on the back would be cool, but it might just be silly. Although I don't care much about looking "good", I don't want to look bad []
How much do your rims weigh?

Is there any point in getting new tires for the 17x7s, or should I grab new rims and tires together?

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Okay, after checking around, I see that if I go wider than 17x8, pickings are slim (and expensive). It looks like 8" could get me up to 255/45/17; would I ever need anything larger?

I'm looking at the Voxx MGR 17x8...$70 seems like a good price compared to everything else. I can't find the weight anywhere, though.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by struan87

How much do your rims weigh?

Is there any point in getting new tires for the 17x7s, or should I grab new rims and tires together?
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My rims were 17 lbs. Unless your stock tires are balding, I'd leave those alone and go for the new/new combo. I also suggest sticking with the same width in front and back for rotation purposes. With my car being lowered and having the 255's, I think I'm as close to rubbing as possible without actually doing so. Be careful if you do try the 275's. I don't think the Azenis come in that size anyway.

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If you get a 18" wheel you might as well for ur safty to change ur breaks also. since ur taking everything off, why dont you change ur suspension too? It will look better! since ur lifting ur car...why dont you add a turning bar for front and back?
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Don't tempt me...

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New info:
I went to discount tire yesterday and the guy said he could probably get the 245/45/17 Falkens on my stock 17x7" rims. I figure it's worth a try, but I wanted to see what you guys think, since I've never seen anything that indicates 245s will fit on 7" rims. If that doesn't work, then I'll just by rims from them. Lead, you got yours from Discount Tire; which ones are they?

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Hey lead, if I have to get different rims, will that affect my autoX class? I don't want to be pushed up into modified or prepared just for an extra inch of wheel.

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[quote] I want wider tires than the stock 215s
2) If I get wider tires, I'll probably need wider rims
3) If I get new rims, I might as well get 18s
4) If I get new rims, I'll have 2 sets
5) If I have 2 sets, I might as well get race tires and swap them off for autoX

1) u want wider tires than the stock 215s
2) If u get wider tires, u'll probably need wider rims
3) If u get new rims, u might as well get 18s
4) If u get new rims, u'll have 2 sets
5) If u have 2 sets, u might as well get race tires and swap them off for autoX
6) If u get wider wheels...u might as well get a new break that fits it!
7) Since you have already change all the tires and rims, u might as well change the supension and low it down.
sincen you are lowing it down, and taking all the parts off, you might as well change a muffler...
finally the conclusion has come...might as well buy another car![banghead]
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I think (as per lead's advice) I've given up on 18s. Best of all, discount tire says the 245/45/17s should fit on my stock 17x7s, so it looks like I don't need to buy anything extra! Hooray!

But that begs a new question--I could save 5-8 lbs per wheel by getting new rims. Is that worth it, considering that would cost $650-850?

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by struan87

I think (as per lead's advice) I've given up on 18s. Best of all, discount tire says the 245/45/17s should fit on my stock 17x7s, so it looks like I don't need to buy anything extra! Hooray!

But that begs a new question--I could save 5-8 lbs per wheel by getting new rims. Is that worth it, considering that would cost $650-850?

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I think it's a mistake to put a 245 on a 7 inch rim. In fact, I think a 235 is too wide, as well. You *may* be able to physically mount it, but the side walls will be so pinched, I think you're kidding yourself if you think the tread will be any wider than a 225 where it contacts the road. Also, the sidewalls will be so distorted that I think you will give up performance relative to a less pinched 225.



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