Hey guys sorry if it has been coverd before but i have used the search button function, and havent been successful.
Well i was just wondering if teh VDC ( aka Traction Control... right?) is completly turned off when you push the button. I read soemwehre about the saturn some guy was spining his wheels crazy and it automaticly kicked in, and saved his life in a turn or someting like that, even though he turned it off prior to drifting. I know for a fact that in a mustang if you turn it off, it will let you kill our self lol, Im pretty sure in the WRX and the RX8, it will let you kill your self too. So just to know will the VDC or traction control kick in if you turn it off manually? Like say i wanna go sideways in a big empty wet parking lot, can i do that or will it kick in and ruin my fun?
Also about the Manual Transmission, what is the clutch type? Is it heavy or a nice easy press in, and release clutch, or is one of those clutchs that you have to use all your force, and you will have more calf muscle in 1 leg then the other cause the clutch is so heavy.
P.S At what RPM can u drop the cluth to let the tires spin? Just wondering for racing purpuses. Thanks again guys. This site kiks booty! : )
VDC - When ya turn off I believe it shuts everything but the ABS off. I've done some donuts and other assclown manuvers in a parking lot with no interference
Clutch weight - I found it to be kinda tight but nothing that you can't get used to.
RPM - Hrm ... I can't remember the exact RPM but I recall it being in the 3grand area ... something like 3500 I believe is the peak torque
I've had times where the VDC kicked in even though it was "off" and other times where it would have let me kill myself had I been a clueless driver who does not know how to deal with oversteer.
Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer. I think it might have to do with whether you press the off button while you're at a stop or while you're moving. I think the times when it kicked in anyway was when I pushed the button while I was moving (maybe it thinks I accidentally bumped it with my knee or something).
this was discussed in pretty great detail previously ... I'd say do a search but I don't know what to search for ... VDC will pop up like half the posts
If you search for 'VDC system components', you will find a thread titled "VDC Goes On No Matter What" by bizz. Here is a copy and paste of a description I posted there.
<font color="maroon">'04 6mt sedans (not 5at) have a true mechanical LSD, '03 sedans do not. All have "electronic brake LSD" as part of Vehicle Dynamic Control. VDC is comprised of (4) separate system components;
1.) traction control system (TCS)
2.) electronic fuel cut off system
3.) electronic "Brake LSD" system
4.) anti-lock brake and bias systems
The slip light is activated primarily by wheelspin, and when VDC is operating properly, the SLIP indicator blinks. When only the TCS of the VDC is operating, the SLIP indicator will also blink. The manual says "If the vehicle is operated with the VDC turned off, all VDC and TCS functions will be turned off. The brake LSD system and ABS will still operate with the VDC system off. If the brake LSD system or the ABS is activated, the SLIP indicator light will blink ...etc."
When wheelspin is detected, VDC will decide what to do based on the situation something like this: getting unstuck - reduces engine output to reduce wheelspin and engages electronic braking to stop a spinning drive wheel and shift power to the opposite drive wheel; oversteer correction - cuts engine fuel (to stop unloaded inside rear wheel from spinning) and applies braking bias to the outside front wheel; understeer correction - cuts engine fuel (to stop unloaded inside rear wheel from spinning) and applies braking bias to the inside rear wheel.
Your personal observations confirm some sort of "fail safe" mode that kicks in with VDC button is OFF that does not fully disable the electronic brake LSD and the ABS, just the electronic fuel cut off system. There are lots of posts about how brake LSD still cuts in even after disabling VDC via the dash switch, and how ABS does continue to function with the VDC OFF or with the VDC fuse pulled.
If you loath VDC and need a project, indycoupe on the freshalloy board posted this workaround for AUTO VDC OFF AT STARTUP. The only difference for the sedan is instead of the two outermost wires used in the coupe, the sedan uses the two lower wires.</font id="maroon">
Hope that helps.
2004 | 6MTs | Diamond Graphite/Graphite
Upstate NY
dose this go for the 04/03 6mt coupes?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Which are you referring to, mechanical LSD or VDC?
2004 | 6MTs | Diamond Graphite/Graphite
Upstate NY
I've had times where the VDC kicked in even though it was "off" and other times where it would have let me kill myself had I been a clueless driver who does not know how to deal with oversteer.
Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer. I think it might have to do with whether you press the off button while you're at a stop or while you're moving. I think the times when it kicked in anyway was when I pushed the button while I was moving (maybe it thinks I accidentally bumped it with my knee or something).
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gotta raise the BS flag on this one. If you turn the VDC off, it is OFF! I turned it off on a race course and it does not interfere AT ALL!
03 Laser Red 6MT | Willow int | 30% Tint and 3M Clear Bra
im talking about VDC cause you cant turn off the mechanicle LSD, its just there, its not like it can disconect or sumtin. IM talking about VDC cause Car adn driver say something about the traction control kicking in even after they turned it off.
im talking about VDC cause you cant turn off the mechanicle LSD, its just there, its not like it can disconect or sumtin. IM talking about VDC cause Car adn driver say something about the traction control kicking in even after they turned it off.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Car & Driver or not, I say BS....Skip Barber would argue differently. It was off and would spin at will. (The CAR would spin at will, the tires were always out of traction!)
03 Laser Red 6MT | Willow int | 30% Tint and 3M Clear Bra
I've worked on VDC at the company that did the VDC for the G (although we Americans weren't lucky enough to work on this car.) So I have some definitive answers.
First of all, Tony, VDC (vehicle dynamics control) is not the same as traction control (TCS). VDC can brake individual wheels even when you are not on the throttle or the brakes to correct the yaw of the vehicle. TCS is part of VDC, a very integral part, on this car. While TCS is capable of functioning independently of VDC (not very well in a corner), NISSAN (and most OEM and VDC system suppliers) chose to turn both of them off with the switch. So as long as you see the VDC OFF light, your fun will almost always be guranteed in the G.
I said "almost always" for two reasons:
1. The "brake LSD" part (using the quote earlier) is kept alive as indicated in the owner's manual. It's supplemental to the mechanical LSD. It actually gives you a lot more capability in transferring the torque to the wheel with traction. Depending on the situation, you usually won't feel it activating. Even when it activates and you feel it, it will almost never slow you down. In cases where you have one rear wheel on ice, it will actually help you accelerate 10 times better. I did notice, however,that when I launch with excessive wheel spin, the brake LSD can amplify the vibration caused by the oscillating drive train if both wheels are not spinning at the same speed. This is especially noticeable on wet asphalt. I contribute that to bad calibration by the TCS engineer -- not me. But still, it does not slow you down.
2. If you are on the brakes, VDC will still work with ABS to correct your yaw. That cannot be turned off. You can see why in my comments to the thread "crash course in weight transfer". So if GTO2050 wants to make the car spin by trail braking, he will be less successful with this car than with an ABS alone car. But as long as you know how to drift with the throttle, both you and GTO2050 can have all the fun you want.
So go ahead, buy the car, and have the time of your life. You may want to go to Skip Barber
thans edge. you are really helpfull. I see that you are new and you know so much lol, thats kool. Well ya i just wanted to know because Car and Driver said that quote. Just to like spin the car out, in a parking lot or something un populated. THnxs again for the tips.
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