Water-meth was originally designed for tractor pulls and forced induction desiel engines but the N/A kits IMO will start to become more popular now that they are out.
That stuff was around before WWII? I know it was used in large radial engines perhaps even before the war started. Germans were way ahead of us in most new advances in aircraft, weapons and such. We on the other hand had our head in the sand...oops off topic
As far as nitrous goes here is some food for thought. Yes, you can get 100hp for about $500 but, it will coat you $40 to fill your bottle where as it will only cost you $30 for 4 gallons of water-meth mix which also gives you 5 refills. So, for nitrous you are spending $200 for 5 refills compared to $30 on water-meth mix. Additionally, nitrous makes your engine run hotter where as water-meth makes it run cooler. Nitrous is also more dangerous and harder on your engine than water-meth. So, nitrous looks better up front but when you do your research water-meth is the better buy, safer, and better for your engine.
Run both...
Water-meth does not increase power by itself. It does cool the intake charge which makes it denser to allow more fuel. It does also cool cylinder temps making things a little more stable.
Nitrous causes heating problems...problem solved by the water-meth.
Water-meth was originally designed for tractor pulls and forced induction desiel engines but the N/A kits IMO will start to become more popular now that they are out.
I just never heard of it being used in N/A applications....figured there must be a good reason for it.
I was just making an example of the benefit of weight savings.
If he only hits 290 instead of 300 a weight loss of about 100 lbs will pretty much make up the difference. If you start pulling under hood liner and various covers under the hood and just about everything in the trunk out it will have no effect on civility or driveability and you have a good start on that diet.
I heard some stat somewhere for every pound saved on wheels/tires is equal to 3-4 lbs (ish) actual car weight. Similar stat for the flywheel, but not as drastic.
I would always choose a weight reduction mod given the opportunity. Cars like the Lotus Elise are prime examples of what you can do with a light car.........I like the Ariel Atom too, that's a fun little track runner.
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I would always choose a weight reduction mod given the opportunity. Cars like the Lotus Elise are prime examples of what you can do with a light car.........I like the Ariel Atom too, that's a fun little track runner.
Run both...
Water-meth does not increase power by itself. It does cool the intake charge which makes it denser to allow more fuel. It does also cool cylinder temps making things a little more stable.
Nitrous causes heating problems...problem solved by the water-meth.
You have contradicted yourself here. By cooling the intake charge and allowing for more fuel and oxygen(cool, dense air) you are in turn creating more power. This is how a CAI works. Water-meth just does it on a lorger scale. You are correct about using both though. That is a very popular setup on diesels and Built gasoline engines (especially FI).
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That stuff was around before WWII? I know it was used in large radial engines perhaps even before the war started. Germans were way ahead of us in most new advances in aircraft, weapons and such. We on the other hand had our head in the sand...oops off topic
You are correct. I forgot about the military use of the water-meth kit in their tanks and airplanes, and yes it was the germans who used it first.
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Meth is also very corrosive and it isn't readily available everywhere.
Methanol is only corrosive to some nonferrous metals in its undiluted form. By mixing it with water you are negating the corrosive effects. As for the availability you can buy 4 gallon jugs pre mixed all over the net for about $30. That 4 gallons will give you 5 refills on a standard 3 qt tank.
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You have contradicted yourself here. By cooling the intake charge and allowing for more fuel and oxygen(cool, dense air) you are in turn creating more power. This is how a CAI works. Water-meth just does it on a lorger scale. You are correct about using both though. That is a very popular setup on diesels and Built gasoline engines (especially FI).
no contradiction there, water-meth has no properties that contribute directly to adding power, it simply allows the engine to work harder without blowing up. the water on the other hand will help to steam clean your engine from the inside
no contradiction there, water-meth has no properties that contribute directly to adding power, it simply allows the engine to work harder without blowing up. the water on the other hand will help to steam clean your engine from the inside
By cooling the intake charge you are condensing the air. This means that there is more oxygen thus allowing for more fuel to be introduced into the engine. The concept of combustion is air/fuel/fire and the more air and fuel you introduce the larger the explosion thus more horsepower. In addition to this the methanol portion of the mixture increases the octane rating of your intake charge and as we all know, the higher the octane rating of your fuel the more useable power you will have. As for the steam cleaning part, I will have to take your word on that.
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By cooling the intake charge you are condensing the air. This means that there is more oxygen thus allowing for more fuel to be introduced into the engine. The concept of combustion is air/fuel/fire and the more air and fuel you introduce the larger the explosion thus more horsepower. In addition to this the methanol portion of the mixture increases the octane rating of your intake charge and as we all know, the higher the octane rating of your fuel the more useable power you will have. As for the steam cleaning part, I will have to take your word on that.
Your car will only inject as much fuel as it sees fit based upon the settings and readouts of the ECU. The ECU takes some time to adjust itself and there are limitations on the stock injectors as well. Being able to suddenly up the ammount of fuel to create a 50 hp gain over stock is doubtful without some type of engine management system and possibly new injectors.
The increase of octane will only serve to reduce or prevent detonation (which will damage your engine) the increase in octane will not in itself increase your horsepower, if you were running boost you could run higher boost with higher octane though since detonation will not occur as easily with the higher octane.
A water/meth injection kit will NOT yield 30-50whp. That's just not going to happen, especially on a NA vehicle. Even on FI'd vehicles, just the addition of a w/m kit alone does not yield any significant gains. The addition of a w/m kit is twofold. First, the meth is like running race gas which helps prevent detonation and allows a tuner to run more timing which is what actually yields gains in hp. Secondly, the water helps to cool intake air temps dramatically which is another important safety measure because intake air temps get very hot, especially when you are FI'd, which is also what hurts engines. W/M is an awesome thing to have if you are FI'd for sure. I'm not sure how beneficial it will be if you are NA, if at all. If you are looking to get w/m to increase your whp, then you are going to be very disappointed. I am running the Aquamist HFS5. I did make slight gains but my main reasoning for getting the Aquamist w/m kit was for additional safety. I can run my car very hard, pop my hood and place my hand on the plenum without burning my hand. The plenum will actually be cool. That in itself sold me on the benefits of w/m. I run a 51/49 mix so that I get the benefits of both the meth and the water. Hope this helps.
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