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Old 06-24-2003, 02:07 AM   #14 (permalink)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Semi On

How can I be off base on my aesthetic opinion of something. I assure you I really do find it hideous. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevent.
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I was refering to your post in general being off base.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Some of us aren't Mac folks or PC folks and as such are capable of independent and unbiased measurement utilizing the scientific method. If you're unfamiliar with the reputation of the larger computer enthusiast sites, I can link you to several which are well known by both the Mac and the PC world as sources for REAL figures free from marketing BS.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I beg to differ that you're a so-called independent. What machine are you posting from?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Show me where.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Throughout your entire post and again in your last one. I'm showing you now.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Or the Apple Price Premium is difficult for already financially strapped IT departments to justify, but your Mac Fanboydom can generate whatever reason you like.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Another general statement made by someone who's not familiar with the Mac platform. If you think Macs are more expensive, prove it to me. Find me a Windows machine from a major vendor that comes with everything the top of the line Mac comes with and show me your price difference.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't know your configuration and therefore can not comment on what deficiencies your hardware and software may demonstrate. Anecdotes are not data.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
It would be an anecdote if it was just me that made this observation.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">All independent Benchmarks indicate you're wrong.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I'll find you several that will prove you wrong. Like I said in my post to Chaz, most "independent" benchmarks are done by PC users that don't know how to use a Mac.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What OS? If you're running an NT based core (2K or XP) and you're being forced to reboot, you need to talk to your IT department because you have a problem.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Every one of them. I've been using PCs since 95 and always run into the same problems. I know I'm not the only one since I read about this all the time. Blue screen of death ring a bell?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Go to any computer enthusiast site on the planet and ask the audience there what they think of Flash.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Not sure where you're going, but I've never been to a site where I can address their audience

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">http://www.arstechnica.com<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's ironic since this is a quote from their homepage:
"Performance is competitive with Dual Xeon Dell PC, lots of SPEC, Mathematica, Photoshop tests put the new top-end machine in front."

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Ethernet
GUI
Mouse
Laser printing
.pdf
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All of these have been well received and adapted, but none as fast and as widely as Flash.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Crappy and slow interface replacements hardly make for compelling and necessary content.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
So if it were up to you, the internet would be all black text on white backgrounds right?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I would argue that a lack of web animation in the first place is better.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I'll partially agree with you here since I know the tool in the wrong hands can create some really ugly crap, but that's why design should be left to the designers.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I KNOW that their figures are wrong because every non-Apple source for the hardware they tested has found significantly better performance on the x86 side.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's shocking since this machine was just announced today and won't even be released until September, so I doubt every non-Apple source has one to test.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I want to run Lasi on the Mac. How about PSpice? MathCAD? Shit, Battlefield 1942?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Send me any of these and I'll give you a little demo.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">There's plenty that can't be done on one or the other. You sound like a mindless fanboy. Both systems are nothing but tools despite whatever fervent religious zeal you may hold toward your computer. At some tasks a Mac is superior and at some a PC is superior. Your wild claims are a bit absurd.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Resorting to insults now? I really didn't think you would need to go there.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Don't believe everything you're sold.
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If I don't believe it, I don't buy it.

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